England Cricket 2024
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And Tendulkar got his 100 100s. I dont like focus on that kind of thing. It's representative sport, so him playing means someone else not playing. Josh Tongue (admittedly a different kind of bowler) was far more impressive than Anderson last summer. Players like him need more opportunities.Got his 700 wickets though
Mate and I were watching his first England game on tv and it was obvious then he was something special.
This advice remains as true as ever:
E.g. Australia Licked by Tongue, India Tongue-tied, Tongue Lashes Pakistan
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Update. Anderson now to retire after the first test at Lords vs West Indies.
I like this decision. I have no problem at all with giving him a send-off test. A whole send-off summer felt like too much.
Good thinking. Although there is more to test cricket than the bloody Ashes.
Anderson to retire after Lord's Test against West Indies
I like this decision. I have no problem at all with giving him a send-off test. A whole send-off summer felt like too much.
Good thinking. Although there is more to test cricket than the bloody Ashes.
Anderson to retire after Lord's Test against West Indies
From a statto perspective he is probably not now going to get the wickets to overtake Warne, or get to 1000 international wickets, or beat Warne’s international wicket tally.
Which is a shame but there you go that’s sport for you.
Saw him take a ODI hat trick at The Oval against Pakistan in 2003
Which is a shame but there you go that’s sport for you.
Saw him take a ODI hat trick at The Oval against Pakistan in 2003
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I first saw him live around 2006. He's had at least two careers. Back then he was pretty quick and could swing it both ways at pace but lacked control. Who would turn up, Good Jimmy or Bad Jimmy? Nobody knew.
I can't think of any other bowler who improved so much in his 30s. First third of his career was pretty average. Second two thirds have stats that are right up there with anyone who has ever played.
I can't think of any other bowler who improved so much in his 30s. First third of his career was pretty average. Second two thirds have stats that are right up there with anyone who has ever played.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
My recollection is that he was really pissed around in this period, badly overcoached. They made him bowl at traffic cones (instead of playing matches) for seemingly ages. They tried to remodel his action because they said he'd injure himself - and they promptly injured him. Eventually he got his own way, went back to doing things his way and learning his way and hey presto. Fittest fast bowler ever.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, there was that too. Had forgotten that. He was in and out of the team for the first five years of his career. More out than in. You're right, messed about. IIRC they criticised him for looking at the ground as he released the ball. Should be looking where you're bowling or something. Well he went back to staring at the ground, and he seemed to know where the ball was going.
I hope they are better now. There does seem to be more recognition from the emergence of people like Malinga and Bumrah that you should let kids explore their own ways to do things. Coach's job is to facilitate that, not mould along pre-existing ideas. The little coaching I had as a kid, I remember it being very prescriptive: Cricket Is A Sideways-on Game was the mantra. Well for some, yeah.
More progressive coaching ideas, as far as I know, are more about giving a kid a bat or ball and first telling them to bowl/bat just however they feel like doing it. First and foremost, HAVE FUN.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Long list of promising fast bowlers who have gone downhill (and lost pace) after being selected for England. You do hope they have learned some lessons. The best bowler in the world right now - in all formats - is someone who breaks pretty much every idea in the manual.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And he retired from ODIs nearly a decade ago and is still England's leading wicket-taker in the format. May keep that record for ever as well given the way the format's going.
Easy to forget that. Like I said, at least two careers. Probably three.
Probably not the greatest in ODIs, though. I'd put Flintoff and Gough just ahead of him. Looking at Flintoff's ODI numbers, they're phenomenal. For England, 168 wickets at 23, economy rate 4.33. Economy rates have gone up in recent years, you say? True, but then look at his batting: more than 3,000 runs at an average of 32, strike rate 89. Those numbers fit right in with today's ODIs.
Easy to forget that. Like I said, at least two careers. Probably three.
Probably not the greatest in ODIs, though. I'd put Flintoff and Gough just ahead of him. Looking at Flintoff's ODI numbers, they're phenomenal. For England, 168 wickets at 23, economy rate 4.33. Economy rates have gone up in recent years, you say? True, but then look at his batting: more than 3,000 runs at an average of 32, strike rate 89. Those numbers fit right in with today's ODIs.
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I'm assuming McCullum/Key have offered him a coaching position after a period of time away anyway. There's no way he would have retired voluntarily. He's not not the gift of the gab of Broad so the commentary box is out.
Although in saying that I'm currently listening to Graeme fucking Swann commentating to millions and he can barely string a sentence together so you never know.
Although in saying that I'm currently listening to Graeme fucking Swann commentating to millions and he can barely string a sentence together so you never know.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
I was just about to say that Will Jacks is going well....enjoyed his sixes though.
Right...Bairstow. Don't mess it up!!
Right...Bairstow. Don't mess it up!!
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Good match, lots of ebb and flow. That catch my Chris Jordan was great.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
That was an impressive win yesterday. Looking forward to more T20, though maybe not at 1.30 in the morning when some of the US based matches are on.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
England didn't really get out of second gear with the bat. But they didn't need to. They'd bought themselves space to just sit out the better Pakistan bowlers, and clobber the rest.
Archer looks good. Not just his pace, but his control and his intelligence in choosing what to bowl and when. He bowled a couple of late inswingers over 90mph that looked like they'd beat absolutely anyone.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Ollie Robinson just got hit for 43 in an over, a record.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Louis Kimber 243 in 127 balls! And his team lost by 18 runs with him last man out. Gutting.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Not to a Sussex fan...
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
England fast seam bowler Ollie Robinson has been hit for 43 runs in the most expensive over in County Championship history in what is believed to be the most expensive in all first-class cricket when there was no compliance from the bowler (i.e. bowling for a declaration). Despite this, Sussex beat Leicestershire by 18 runs:
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Squad for first two tests against W.Indies
England squad for first two Tests: Ben Stokes (Durham, capt), James Anderson (Lancashire - first Test only), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Harry Brook (Yorkshire), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Dan Lawrence (Surrey), Dillon Pennington (Nottinghamshire), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey, wk), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Pennington? Smith? Who?
Bye bye Bairstow, Leach, Robinson, Foakes.
England squad for first two Tests: Ben Stokes (Durham, capt), James Anderson (Lancashire - first Test only), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Harry Brook (Yorkshire), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Dan Lawrence (Surrey), Dillon Pennington (Nottinghamshire), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey, wk), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Pennington? Smith? Who?
Bye bye Bairstow, Leach, Robinson, Foakes.
Bazball 2.0 takes shape with senior England players left out of Test squad
No Bairstow, Foakes or Leach in squad to start West Indies series with Surrey’s Jamie Smith handed maiden Test call-up and the gloves
Seems a bit bonkers. Must have been some very difficult conversations. Who the the fuck is Smith!?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Clearly, England see this as the start of a new phase with rebuilding towards the next Ashes. I dislike this way of thinking. It is disrespectful towards all the other teams England play, who also matter. For example, England don't currently hold the Ashes, but they also don't currently hold the Richards-Botham trophy (formerly Wisden Trophy). It's an important series.
But this is bad news for all the players who've been dropped. Bashir has been out on loan to get games because Som prefer Leach, while Foakes keeps wicket for Surrey. I've no idea how good a keeper Smith is. We'll soon find out, but clearly Surrey think he's not as good as Foakes. Foakes hasn't been in the runs this year for Surrey but then again neither has Pope (miserable returns of 206 runs in 7 matches at 22).
But this is bad news for all the players who've been dropped. Bashir has been out on loan to get games because Som prefer Leach, while Foakes keeps wicket for Surrey. I've no idea how good a keeper Smith is. We'll soon find out, but clearly Surrey think he's not as good as Foakes. Foakes hasn't been in the runs this year for Surrey but then again neither has Pope (miserable returns of 206 runs in 7 matches at 22).
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Lawrence must be one of the best drinks waiters around right now mind.
Must be great watching Pope get 16 and 11 and being undroppable.
And what a difference 2 years makes.
www.wisden.com
Must be great watching Pope get 16 and 11 and being undroppable.
And what a difference 2 years makes.
Ben Stokes: Ben Foakes is the best wicketkeeper in the world
England Test captain Ben Stokes heaped praise on wicketkeeper-batter Ben Foakes after the Surrey gloveman’s crucial contribution to his side’s successful run-chase against New Zealand at Lord’s.
www.wisden.com
We've all doubted in the wisdom of Stokes/McCullum in the past and been proved wrong (India tour excepted). So you never know. I imagine a lot of thought has gone into this.
