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from page 15 of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ta/file/661933/tsgb-2017-report-summaries.pdf

80% of drivers breaking 20mph speed limits, over 50% 30mph limits.
 
They fucking are in Bristol. I've had two notices this year alone.

EtA, I will now be pissing all and sundry off immensely as I creep about everywhere at 21mph. Anyone who beeps, overtakes, flashes or revs themselves into my boot can fuck off and take the 3 points with them :mad:
 
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46% of cars going over 70 on a motorway, I 'd have thought it would be more than that, police cars normally cruise along at 75-80 and don't bat an eyelid if cars creep past them.
 
The 20 limits are the most sensible, imo. You can generally see why it’s a 20. Quite often 30 limits look too slow for the environment; like some planners just got lazy and slapped a 30 limit on the road without much thought so they could go home early on a Friday evening. The ones that look silly are the most likely to be ignored.
 
The 20 limits are the most sensible, imo. You can generally see why it’s a 20. Quite often 30 limits look too slow for the environment; like some planners just got lazy and slapped a 30 limit on the road without much thought so they could go home early on a Friday evening. The ones that look silly are the most likely to be ignored.


This one near me is a 30 that every single vehicle ignores:



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Further back it goes past houses, but once in the open it should go up to at least 40, but just stays at 30.
 
Nürburgring fuckwittery :D


There was coolant spillage (slippy) on the track on an unsighted bend, so all bets were off. The internet is divided as to whether blokey in the video is a bellend for unbelting and getting out on a live track in the middle of a high speed accident, or wise for trying to warn others and as it turns out protect himself.
 
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from page 15 of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ta/file/661933/tsgb-2017-report-summaries.pdf

80% of drivers breaking 20mph speed limits, over 50% 30mph limits.
The proper data:

Vehicle speed compliance (SPE01) - GOV.UK

44% of car drivers doing 25+ in a 20, 15% doing 30+. Average speed, 25, compared to 31 in a 30. That's not actually that bad, I think.

It suggests they work, just not to the full extent. Or, it might be that 20s are implemented where speeds are already lower. Who knows - data!
 
There was coolant spillage (slippy) on the track on an unsighted bend, so all bets were off. The internet is divided as to whether blokey in the video is a bellend for unbelting and getting out on a live track in the middle of a high speed accident, or wise for trying to warn others and as it turns out protect himself.
Mmm... his car was certainly hit by at least one oncoming vehicle, but there is no doubt in my mind that a number of the other collisions seen in the video would have still happened if his car hadn't been there. He was parked as far to the right as the barriers allowed, and other cars were crashed/ parked in the middle and to the left of the road, blocking far a wider proportion of the track.

TBH I now feel my earlier 'fuckwittery' description of events was unfair on the drivers. You're there to race, not to drive carefully and defensively as you would on public roads. I guess the crash happened at a particularly unfortunate spot. F1 circuits have blokes scattered along the track ready to wave flags for such eventualities, because they know how difficult it'd be for drivers to spot accidents and brake in time on their own accord. Perhaps there is a valid claim to suggest the owners of Nurburgring should have stewards posted along the track.
 
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from page 15 of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ta/file/661933/tsgb-2017-report-summaries.pdf

80% of drivers breaking 20mph speed limits, over 50% 30mph limits.
20 mph limits, certainly when imposed across borough-wide areas, can be completely absurd, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that the overwhelming majority of drivers break the 20 mph limit regularly (if not always, and depending on the location and conditions). This is not a sign of widespread recklessness by psychotic, selfish drivers, but a reflection of the fact that sometimes the law gets something completely wrong, and that individuals are perfectly capable of ignoring such laws selectively and quite safely.
 
There was coolant spillage (slippy) on the track on an unsighted bend, so all bets were off. The internet is divided as to whether blokey in the video is a bellend for unbelting and getting out on a live track in the middle of a high speed accident, or wise for trying to warn others and as it turns out protect himself.

Personally I think he did the exact right thing, get himself to safety and then if safe try to warn other drivers. If he'd stayed in the car he would definitely been in more danger and unable to help anyone else.
 
20 mph limits, certainly when imposed across borough-wide areas, can be completely absurd, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that the overwhelming majority of drivers break the 20 mph limit regularly (if not always, and depending on the location and conditions). This is not a sign of widespread recklessness by psychotic, selfish drivers, but a reflection of the fact that sometimes the law gets something completely wrong, and that individuals are perfectly capable of ignoring such laws selectively and quite safely.

“I’m a better judge of what’s a safe speed than the so-called experts”. The defence of speeding drivers everywhere.
 
Mmm... his car was certainly hit by at least one oncoming vehicle, but there is no doubt in my mind that a number of the other collisions seen in the video would have still happened if his car hadn't been there. He was parked as far to the right as the barriers allowed, and other cars were crashed/ parked in the middle and to the left of the road, blocking far a wider proportion of the track.

TBH I now feel my earlier 'fuckwittery' description of events was unfair on the drivers. You're there to race, not to drive carefully and defensively as you would on public roads. I guess the crash happened at a particularly unfortunate spot. F1 circuits have blokes scattered along the track ready to wave flags for such eventualities, because they know how difficult it'd be for drivers to spot accidents and brake in time on their own accord. Perhaps there is a valid claim to suggest the owners of Nurburgring should have stewards posted along the track.

Personally I think he did the exact right thing, get himself to safety and then if safe try to warn other drivers. If he'd stayed in the car he would definitely been in more danger and unable to help anyone else.
There's a story about it here: https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-harrowing-massive-pileup-unfold-at-nurburgring-1820397933

A few things: it is a public road. It certainly has a lot in common with a racetrack. However there are strict rules, and both racing and time-setting attempts are forbidden on public days. There are also marshals/flaggers, I think, but there weren't any at that point.

The concern is about the time between unbuckling and being over the armco, during which he's exposed to more danger than sitting in the car.
 
“I’m a better judge of what’s a safe speed than the so-called experts”. The defence of speeding drivers everywhere.
There is not such thing as a safe speed, other than 0 mph. Some speeds are safer than others of course, and that is all part of the compromise between safety and practicality that all of us, whether we want to admit it or not, are prepared to accept, unless one is campaigining for a total ban on motor vehicles on urban areas, which is the only truly safe option.

Once we are prepared to accept there has to be a reasonable and adequate compromise between safety and practicality, then we can discuss the issue of what the most adequate speed might be for a given area or road according to conditions and and physical characteristics. It is plainly obvious that 20 mph is an ludicrously slow and completely inappropriate and unfit for purpose speed limit for *certain* roads. That is why blanket 20 mph limits across entire neighbourhoods regardless of which roads or areas are affected are ill-thought bullshit, and why practically 100% of drivers including police patrols ignore such limits on certain roads where the conditions allow for higher speeds without a serious compromise on safety.
 
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