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Trump at the opening of a new Trump hotel in Washington yesterday: "My theme today is five words: under budget and ahead of schedule." Sounds like the kind of thing George W. Bush used to say after he ran out of fingers to count words on.
 
Wikileaks: Damaging analysis of Sanders’s single payer plan was likely a coordinated Clinton hit

A search through Wikileaks’s database reveals that a week before a damaging, highly critical analysis of Bernie Sanders’s single payer healthcare plan was released by healthcare expert Kenneth Thorpe, with no disclosure of any affiliation with any campaign, the Clinton campaign was floating Thorpe’s name out as a vehicle to attack the Senator’s Medicare-for-all plan.

Thorpe’s analysis was reported by Vox on January 28th, in an article titled “Study: Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan is almost twice as expensive as he says.” A flurry of articles and editorials touting the study followed — for example, Paul Krugman’s January 28th editorial “Single Payer Trouble,” or the New York Time’s report “Left-Leaning Economists Question Cost of Bernie Sanders’s Plans.” These articles all fed the notion that Sanders was a pie-in-the-sky, puppies and rainbow dreamer, with no real grasp on reality.

Others, however, such as single payer advocates David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler, (“On Kenneth Thorpe’s Analysis of Senator Sanders’s Single-Payer Reform Plan”), claimed convincingly that Thorpe’s analysis rested on highly questionable, or flatly incorrect, assumptions and that it also contradicted previous studies that Thorpe himself had done. Sanders’s campaign, meanwhile, called the analysis “a total hatchet job.”

As it turns out, a week before Thorpe’s analysis was released, in a January 19th thread discussing the merits of attacking Sanders on healthcare, Jake Sullivan, a top Clinton advisor, floated the idea of using Thorpe to attack Sanders on healthcare:

“Team –

There is appetite for a call on health care tomorrow. The idea would be to get someone (Ken Thorpe?) to join Brian Fallon to make the following points:

Senator Sanders couldn’t have thought this through. Otherwise he would never have put forward a plan that:

- Hurts many poor people on Medicaid right now

- Hurts many working seniors

- Hurts many young people under 26 ”

WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails

While Thorpe’s analysis hit Sanders on overall costs, it also claimed that Medicare workers, Medicaid workers, and young adult workers would all, as groups, disproportionately lose out under Sanders’s proposal. In other words, Thorpe’s analysis happened to hit the very points that the Clinton campaign wanted out there.

Throughout all of the articles on Thorpe’s analysis, by way of introduction, it was often pointed out that he was sympathetic to single payer, and so this presumably made the analysis particularly damaging, since he had a great deal of credibility on the subject, and an inclination to support a single payer system. As Vox’s Dylan Matthews wrote:

“Thorpe isn’t some right-wing critic skeptical of all single-payer proposals. Indeed, in 2006 he laid out a single-payer proposal for Vermont after being hired by the legislature, and was retained by progressive Vermont lawmakers again in 2014 as the state seriously considered single-payer, authoring a memo laying out alternative ways to expand coverage. A 2005 report he wrote estimated that a single-payer system would save $1.1 trillion in health spending from 2006 to 2015.”

But as Himmlestein and Woolhandler pointed out, one odd thing was that Thorpe’s latest analysis actually contradicted this previous work. This oddity is perfectly explained if, rather than being a good faith analysis of Sanders’s plan, the report was actually a coordinated attack from the Clinton campaign. The new evidence contained in the Podesta leak certainly suggests that this latter interpretation has a lot of merit.

Of course, the near certainty of Thorpe’s direct involvement with the campaign was never disclosed. Indeed, the exact opposite was asserted by the NYT’s Jackie Calmes in her article — which relies heavily on Thorpe’s analysis — about "left-leaning economists," "none of whom are working for Mrs. Clinton."
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Santino said:
My theme today is five words: "under budget" and "ahead of schedule".
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Doesn't work.

That would be something like:

My theme today is five words: under, budget, ahead, of, and schedule

What you have there is:

My theme today is two phrases: 'under budget' and 'ahead of schedule'
 
Trump just did this interesting thing, taking what Michael Moore said, about him being the fuck you candidate, and running with it.
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(I'm sure its been linked to before but this is the clip he's endorsing):
 
Rape is incredibly common (about one in five women experience sexual assault), and false reports are rare (2 to 8 percent). So if a woman comes forward about being assaulted, Occam's razor suggests she's probably telling the truth.

But our tendency as a society is to assume the opposite — that any explanation other than rape, however implausible, must be the correct one. Did she willingly go somewhere alone with her attacker or wear provocative clothing? She must have wanted it. Is her attacker famous or well-loved? She must be lying to get attention. Was she literally unconscious? Who knows, maybe she woke up for a while and said it was okay.

We often don't want to do the work of reevaluating our personal heroes, of accepting that a powerful man who is a pillar of the community, or a world-renowned artist, or even the leader of the free world, could secretly be a monster.

We are even less willing to do that work if someone we know or love is accused. If a man has friends, admirers, and social status, he also has a defense against rape and a claim to sympathy in the public eye.

But sometimes, all he has to be is a man.

People don't believe victims of sexual assault because it's simply easier not to. But it also goes deeper than laziness or loyalty. The widespread disbelief of rape has a complicated history but a relatively simple cause: People don't believe women.
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Rape and sexual assault are common. So why don't we believe victims?
 
Will there be any more bombshells dropped before the vote? More assault allegations probably won't really change anything (unless an underage victim pops up). I would have thought there'd still be some muck out there, and know of the rumours of a clip of him using the 'n' word.
 
Dogsauce said:
Will there be any more bombshells dropped before the vote? More assault allegations probably won't really change anything (unless an underage victim pops up). I would have thought there'd still be some muck out there, and know of the rumours of a clip of him using the 'n' word.
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Won't change a thing. Remember he said months ago that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and his loyal fans would not be perturbed.
The only possible impact of this relentless drip drip of info on his sexual incontinence is on how many women turn up out of exhaustion / disgust to vote for not trump.
 
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Dogsauce said:
Will there be any more bombshells dropped before the vote? More assault allegations probably won't really change anything (unless an underage victim pops up). I would have thought there'd still be some muck out there, and know of the rumours of a clip of him using the 'n' word.
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Both sides are probably holding a few things back - the Clinton campaign must have a good idea what WikiLeaks is likely to release between now and Nov. 8 and will have a few headline-grabbing things to release to match them.

There still might be some really shocking stuff to come from either side - and given Trump's character, the way he runs his mouth off, and the amount of time he has spend around TV cameras, I'd be surprised if his campaign was the one holding a, um, valuable card of some kind that could be held in reserve to give them a winning advantage.
 
bimble said:
Trump just did this interesting thing, taking what Michael Moore said, about him being the fuck you candidate, and running with it.
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(I'm sure its been linked to before but this is the clip he's endorsing):
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I didn't know he'd threatened tariffs on Ford to keep their production in the states rather than Mexico. I'm confused now. He's also stated he'd get rid of the carried income tax loophole (although Clinton's position is the same). Still an arsehole though don't get me wrong.
 
Somehow hadn't occurred to me that brexit is seen as an important thing by some Trump fans, not just the surprise win but the content of the Farage campaign:
'Marte Sellura, 65, an artist, said: “I feel we’re in a similar situation to Brexit. I listen to Nigel Farage’s speeches all the time. I feel that we in America are in tune with the British on immigration issues. America has woken up: there is a globalist agenda. Those things we though are conspiracy theories are not conspiracy theories any more; they’re happening.”
'There'll be a revolution': Trump's Ohio supporters back him against the odds
 
Jemima Khan's Halloween costume:

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Remarkable interview with Tony Schwartz (who ghost wrote Trump's book The Art Of The Deal) on radio 4's PM program this evening: he flat out calls him a sociopath and a danger to the whole world. Scary.
 
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Remarkable interview with Tony Schwartz (who ghost wrote Trump's book The Art Of The Deal) on radio 4's PM program this evening: he flat out calls him a sociopath and a danger to the whole world. Scary.
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Scary is right, they didn't include the bit where Schwartz says he has already prepared to leg it to Europe with his family cos he thinks Trump will go after him if he wins.
 
Proper portrait of a monster that was, from someone who really does know and has nothing to gain from saying what he's saying.
The bit about how thin skinned Trump is, how he can't handle being made to feel small, lashes out rashly, and how the president of the united states can at will press the nuclear button.
(starts halfway through this: BBC Radio 4 - PM, 28/10/2016 )
 
Holy shit .........trumps been gifted by the FBI.......

Truly the future of political satire is orange ....

Just seen trump creaming himself on stage......"Hilary and her crooked ways ....."

Can't see it being minor if the FBI have released the info just so close in ......
Dune sized can of worms
 
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