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Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

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Noe-liberalism pretty much defines the economic policies of most western advanced countries yet they didn't produce a Trump. The Republican party's increasingly extreme conservatism from Reagan to the present...government IS the problem, gun-nut ism, militarism, evangelical christianity, white bigotry, extreme nationalism....& the Democrats failure to resist these produced Trump.
What J Ed said, throughout the West "centrist" mainstream parties have been under pressure from populist right (and sometimes left) wing parties. In addition, to those mentioned by J Ed there's also Austria where the FPO almost took the presidency and are predicted to very well next year, here in Australia One Nation have had 4 senators elected.

The precise nature of the realignment differs from country to country but it is occurring across the west.
 
I agree but the point that was made was that he was somehow attacking political opponents rather than random beauty queens etc. The guy giving the talk said he basically wasnt an idiot and knew how to play the game which trump doesnt.
I think that the one thing Trump _does_ know how to do is play the game. He's very good at picking up on points that will get people agreeing with him, and that includes picking up on what will hurt his opponents, quite specifically. That's pretty much all he has, though; he's reactive.
 
Went to a great talk about duterte this evening, parallels are striking yet duterte seems to be a lot more savvy than trump and less self sabotaging, he's also reached out to the left and doesn't show much sign of overt racism or even misogyny beyond well targeted remarks at political opponents, nothing on trumps level anyway - just extreme classism (most of the people he's targetted are extremely poor).

Sounds interesting, was it recorded?
 
Sounds interesting, was it recorded?

It was, i also typed some notes up about the main talk (didnt have enough space for questions at the end)

Lemme know if you want my notes otherwise will be put online as a podcast quite soon
I think that the one thing Trump _does_ know how to do is play the game. He's very good at picking up on points that will get people agreeing with him, and that includes picking up on what will hurt his opponents, quite specifically. That's pretty much all he has, though; he's reactive.

At the moment though his ratings are nowhere near what Duterte's was at the time...
 
Inside Morocco’s Campaign To Influence Hillary Clinton and Other U.S. Leaders

Morocco’s team of American lobbyists regularly communicated with State Department officials during Hillary Rodham Clinton’s four-year tenure and several are supporting her candidacy for the 2016 presidential election, according to disclosures filed with the Justice Department.

Meanwhile, a controversial cache of what appear to be Moroccan diplomatic documents show how the Moroccan government courted Clinton, built a cooperative relationship with the Secretary of State, and orchestrated the use of consultants, think tanks and other “third-party validators” to advance the North African nation’s goals within elite U.S. political circles.

The DOJ filings and Moroccan leaks help flesh out the story of how a strategically important Arab nation — one that’s been widely denounced for holding one of the last remaining colonial territories in the world — has sought to influence U.S. politics in general and Clinton in particular. Clinton, who has called Morocco “a leader and a model,” saw her and her family’s relationship with the nation burst into the national consciousness earlier this month when Politico reported that the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation would accept more than $1 million in funding from a company controlled by Moroccan King Mohammed VI to host a foundation event in Marrakech on May 5-7. Other foreign contributions to the foundation have also generated controversy, but none as intensely as the Morocco gift.

Documents suggest that the Moroccan government has long sought to influence the Clinton family over U.S.-Morocco relations. Mandatory disclosures filed by Morocco’s many American lobbyists provide one window into these efforts. Another side of the story can be seen through the cache of apparent Moroccan diplomatic documents believed to have been hacked by critics of the government. The diplomatic cables began to appear online seven months ago but are receiving fresh scrutiny given news of the donation to the foundation.


U.S.-based lobbyists for Morocco communicated frequently with State Department officials during Clinton’s tenure, according to disclosures filed with the Justice Department. The filings also show Morocco’s lobbyists are positioned to support Hillary Rodham Clinton’s bid for the 2016 presidential election. In February of last year, Morocco retained Justin Gray, a board member to Priorities USA Action, the pro-Clinton Super PAC, as a lobbyist on retainer for $25,000 per month, an amount that now represents about a third of his firm’s revenue.

Toby Moffett, a longtime lobbyist for the Moroccan government, penned anop-ed last month decrying the “left-right tag team” of pundits in the media criticizing Clinton’s bid for the presidency. Records show that on December 24, 2014, Moffett held a conference call with Dwight Bush, the U.S. ambassador to Morocco, concerning the Clinton Global Initiative event in Marrakech next month.

Gray and two other lobbyists employed by his firm Gray Global Advisors on retainer for the Kingdom of Morocco, Ed Towns and Ralph Nurmberger, gave donations totaling $16,500 to the Super PAC Ready for Hillary, which rebranded recently as Ready PAC.

Legal or not, the amount of corruption here is astonishing. This is from 2015 BTW, but thought it might be of interest still.
 
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They lobbied Clinton as Secretary of State and also donated to the Clinton foundation. That's the corrupt bit, not the lobbyists lobbying.
I don't disagree that it's corrupt. But the US electoral system, with its necessity to raise funds to campaign, has always been corrupt. If Trump isn't doing it, that's because his corruption has taken place outside the political system, and he's using the funds from that instead.
 
The latest poll shows that 20% of Americans believe Obama was born outside the United States, with 9% saying there is solid evidence to prove it and 11% saying it is just their suspicion.

More Americans believe the president is Muslim, with 29% of Americans saying they think the President is a Muslim, including 43% of Republicans.

Thanks, Trump! :rolleyes:
 
How did the scattered legions of American white supremacists coalesce around a showboating New York mogul? I tracked this two-year evolution through thousands of posts and comments on scores of blogs and forums used by the most ideological racists. What these posts show is the story of a U.S. presidential candidate who slowly but relentlessly overcame widespread distrust and contempt, as white nationalists came to believe he was their candidate—or at least the best candidate they could realistically expect.

Perhaps surprisingly, it wasn’t Trump’s initial campaign announcement about Mexican “rapists” that cemented his support: It was his steady, consistent push for an anti-immigration platform, one of the central policy pillars of the nationalist right. And as white-nationalists began to rally around Trump as its closest political ally in a generation, they began to detect what members called “wink-wink-wink” communications from the candidate. There was his retweet of bogus murder statistics that exaggerated black crime; two separate retweets of a racist Twitter feed called @WhiteGenocideTM; and the interview that sealed the deal: the moment on CNN when—just days before the Louisiana primary—Trump dodged the question of whether to repudiate the endorsement of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, which one commenter on the white nationalist site Stormfront called “the best political thing I have seen in my life.”

How White Nationalists Learned To Love Donald Trump
 
Not really a simple way. I think the causes are down to a confluence of factors, not all of which are present to the same degree in every country in which the rise of the populist right.

I think it has a lot to do with the break down of organised labour and the institutions associated with organised labour which has meant that it has been impossible for these forces to make the lives of ordinary people better, this has coincided in the Western world with increases in immigration and demographic shifts, meanwhile significant percentages of the media in most Western countries are telling people that the decline in their living standards is due to that dramatic demographic change.

Centre-left parties throughout the Western world, which is what a lot of people today think of when they think of the left, are incredibly weak and a result of that is that it relegates politics to essentially that of centre-right neoliberals vs far-right economic populists. This means that for a lot of people their view of politics is that it is between that of the haves on the centre-right and the far-right populists who will at least stick it to the centre-right and horrify the people whose politics consists mostly of sneering at you and people like you.
Yes but why, why are centre-left or any kind of left parties so weak leaving far right populists apparently the only show in town ?
 
Yes but why, why are centre-left or any kind of left parties so weak leaving far right populists apparently the only show in town ?

I suspect it's partly a result of the mainstream center left abandoning any project for equality economically in favour of cultural issues, and what is perceived as "political correctness." It has been a long time since the center left has made jobs and housing a central issue, beyond fairly abstract promises about "job creation" that don't really resonate with people and don't really come to fruition either. Now saying that it is the immigrants who are taking the jobs and getting the council houses on the other hand, that is easy to understand and to some people sends the message that their concerns are being taken seriously.

This happened in the USA decades ago (or, it never really had an explicitly pro-Labour party in the first place, but the [white] working class embracing right wing populist rhetoric was not always the case) and the same thing is happening here now, largely a consequence of our industrial base and union movement being weakened.
 
Read this yesterday, about the high popularity of the current Polish government, which has combined a strong 'right wing' stance with unprecedented state help in the form of child support payments. The article is saying watch out these guys are onto a real winner, but maybe it's also about how the words left & right aren't really up to the job anymore.
Xenophobic, authoritarian – and generous on welfare: how Poland’s right rules | Remi Adekoya

Not a new set of ideas from authoritarian rightists, though. A certain fascist party in Germany did similar.
 
Not a new set of ideas from authoritarian rightists, though. A certain fascist party in Germany did similar.

Blair was also big on child tax credits and so on (for 'hardworking families') whilst screwing over lots of other people with benefit cuts. It's just fine tuning social security towards populist ends rather than 'to those who need'.
 
Trump rally in Jerusalem.....
About 250 people gathered on Wednesday for a pro-Trump pep rally that overlooked the historic Old City walls, a symbolic location underlining the event speakers' main message: Jerusalem is Israel's eternal capital, and a President Trump would depart from long-held US policy and recognise that fact.

While Trump's earlier statements on Israel raised eyebrows among the pro-Israel community - including a vow to remain "neutral" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and a refusal to say whether he would recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital - the presidential hopeful has changed his tune.

He has since attracted the support of pro-Israel donors like casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who has given $10m to a pro-Trump Super-PAC that is spending money on anti-Clinton television advertisements.
Republicans in Jerusalem rally for Donald Trump
 
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