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[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Thanks. That’s interesting. Is the source reliable? And is cross ticket voting unusual? (In Scotland it’s quite normal to vote for different parties on the constituency and list votes in the same election. So much so that the SNP in particular tried to get across the message that their voters shouldn’t).

I checked a couple - Michigan and Georgia - and they both elected Democratic Governors in 2022. Not aligned with the recent elections.

Which is a pretty shoddy thing to omit from your argument imo.

 

[two sheds]

Now, as to non-voting. If you vote you’re endorsing the election and so can’t complain.

If you don't vote is that not equally burying your head and saying la la la

(although if you're burying your head you wouldn't be able to say la la la, obviously)

 

[Monte]

Sorry, I must have mixed you up with the people who were calling Trump voters stupid. My apologies.

Now, as to non-voting. If you vote you’re endorsing the election and so can’t complain.

If you voted against Trump you certainly can complain about the shit he pulls.
If you didn't take part in democracy you have zero right to complain about anything he does.

 

[Wilf]

Hmm, not at all suspicious . For someone so polarising, does this make any sense?

Edited because I forgot to give details. A short piece (around 6 mins) concerning the concerns about the veracity of the election result, with Hakeem Jeffries making some very valid points.

Spoiler

Ever heard the phrase split ticket?

 

[Monte]

Out of interest, who do you think politicians are most worried about trying to appeal to? Is it the people who they know can be relied on to vote for them whatever happens, or is it the people who do not currently vote for them but might potentially be won over?

Both. Even the most rabid devotees need to be motivated off the couch.

 

[Wilf]

Even if it’s just “I find chamomile tea very effective”.

No.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Ever heard the phrase split ticket?

I'll say it again. These are not normal times. He is loathed by more people than loved, and yet he wins these states, while the rest of the ticket is solidly Dems. All the excuses in the world to try and twist this glaring fact will not change it.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'll say it again. These are not normal times. He is loathed by more people than loved, and yet he wins these states, while the rest of the ticket is solidly Dems. All the excuses in the world to try and twist this glaring fact will not change it.

So there IS a conspiracy then?

 

[PTK]

If you voted against Trump you certainly can complain about the shit he pulls.
If you didn't take part in democracy you have zero right to complain about anything he does.

Of course you have a right to complain if you did not vote.

 

[hitmouse]

If you voted against Trump you certainly can complain about the shit he pulls.
If you didn't take part in democracy you have zero right to complain about anything he does.

What if you voted against Trump in Washington DC or Maryland? What use is that meant to be to anyone? It's like saying you voted against the Tories in Liverpool.

 

[Wilf]

I know you're not.

I'm not sure that there's a whole lot that the wider world CAN do. I appreciate the fact that this is what the people of the US voted for... however, sadly the rest of the world is stuck with him as well, but with no opportunity to do anything about it.

It's galling enough that this has happened at all but it's also the fact that he is inevitably going to get away with his crimes and that he will undoubtedly pardon all the low-life Jan 6 insurgents too. That absolutely stinks and the prospect of another four years of that vile individual's perpetual whining is more than I can countenance.

I think there's plenty people can do, all the old stuff, organise, educate, agitate, shoot a CEO...

 

[Monte]

What if you voted against Trump in Washington DC or Maryland? What use is that meant to be to anyone? It's like saying you voted against the Tories in Liverpool.

You still affect the popular vote numbers.

 

[hitmouse]

I checked a couple - Michigan and Georgia - and they both elected Democratic Governors in 2022. Not aligned with the recent elections.

Which is a pretty shoddy thing to omit from your argument imo.

This really is BlueAnon stuff, isn't it? This sort of thing, this is exactly how someone ends up believing that Biden is harvesting adrenochrome from kids.

 

[PTK]

Actually an interesting short video - he's saying that five out of the six (?) swing states returned democrat governors while returning trump as president and he finds that somewhat strange.

There have been questions about how secure the voting software is - produced by a republican company as I recall.

If I was going to fiddle the vote, I would be sure that in these states the same party won in the elections for President and for Governor.

 

[PTK]

Yesterday, while on the razz
I met a woman who doesn't like jazz
She didn't like jazz again today
It's pretty understandable, all things considered.

Well, jazz is pretty strange, but there's nowt as queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire.

 

[emanymton]

uniquely the system has no chance of hacking?

They are not connected to the Internet.

Can we stop this now please, people spent 4 years rightly ridiculing Trump supporters for this, don't go down the same path as them.

 

[Yossarian]

I checked a couple - Michigan and Georgia - and they both elected Democratic Governors in 2022. Not aligned with the recent elections.

Which is a pretty shoddy thing to omit from your argument imo.

The only swing state that elected a governor this year was North Carolina - the Democratic candidate won after it emerged that the Republican candidate called himself a "Black Nazi" and praised slavery on a porn site message board

North Carolina Republican candidate for governor Mark Robinson called himself ‘black Nazi’ – report

State’s lieutenant governor used description and expressed support for reinstating slavery on message board, CNN reports

www.theguardian.com

 

[hitmouse]

I can't believe the DEEP STATE has been so successful in erasing all evidence of the 2024 Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, and Pennsylvania governor elections. How deep does this conspiracy go???

 

[breadandcircuse]

I checked a couple - Michigan and Georgia - and they both elected Democratic Governors in 2022. Not aligned with the recent elections.

Which is a pretty shoddy thing to omit from your argument imo.

Don't try a gotcha when you have not listened properly to what was said. Try listening. Georgia was not mentioned in this. Michigan was, but Jeffries is telling us that a Dem is headed to the Senate from there. He did not say Governor. So, nothing omitted. In your rush to pour cold water on this, you fucked up.

 

[two sheds]

They are not connected to the Internet.

Can we stop this now please, people spent 4 years rightly ridiculing Trump supporters for this, don't go down the same path as them.

I don't think it's a loony conspiracy theory. There were multiple warnings of potential problems with the software for example:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/12/hackers-vulnerabilities-voting-machines-elections-00173668

but fair enough I stop.

 

[PTK]

I can't believe the DEEP STATE has been so successful in erasing all evidence of the 2024 Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, and Pennsylvania governor elections. How deep does this conspiracy go???

You can't handle the truth!

 

[breadandcircuse]

This really is BlueAnon stuff, isn't it? This sort of thing, this is exactly how someone ends up believing that Biden is harvesting adrenochrome from kids.

Nonsense.

 

[hitmouse]

Don't try a gotcha when you have not listened properly to what was said. Try listening. Georgia was not mentioned in this. Michigan was, but Jeffries is telling us that a Dem is headed to the Senate from there. He did not say Governor. So, nothing omitted. In your rush to pour cold water on this, you fucked up.

I mean, it's not like no-one else has tried to examine the difference between Harris' performance in Michigan and that of more local politicians, I think Michigan in particular is a state where voters might feel dissatisfied with the national Democratic leadership while still being open to voting for other local Democrat candidates:

In Dearborn, Rashida Tlaib Did Nearly Twice as Well as Kamala Harris

Kamala Harris wouldn’t distance herself from the Biden’s support of Israel’s war on Gaza. Rashida Tlaib railed against it — and won the Michigan city.

theintercept.com

 

[weltweit]

For some reason Farage meeting Musk at Mar al Lago has been featuring on BBC News reports this evening. No mention of Trump, but it is his place.

 

[krtek a houby]

I know you're not.

I'm not sure that there's a whole lot that the wider world CAN do. I appreciate the fact that this is what the people of the US voted for... however, sadly the rest of the world is stuck with him as well, but with no opportunity to do anything about it.

It's galling enough that this has happened at all but it's also the fact that he is inevitably going to get away with his crimes and that he will undoubtedly pardon all the low-life Jan 6 insurgents too. That absolutely stinks and the prospect of another four years of that vile individual's perpetual whining is more than I can countenance.

What is a "low life", exactly?

 

[breadandcircuse]

For anyone sneering at the possibility of dodgy dealings in the election, here is the letter from the computer expert, Stephen Spoonamore, to Harris, urging her to investigate. It's the full letter, around 15 minutes long, and he goes into great detail about what has happened. This guy knows his stuff, and for anyone thinking he is partisan, he is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican.

Spoiler

 

[Santino]

For anyone sneering at the possibility of dodgy dealings in the election, here is the letter from the computer expert, Stephen Spoonamore, to Harris, urging her to investigate. It's the full letter, around 15 minutes long, and he goes into great detail about what has happened. This guy knows his stuff, and for anyone thinking he is partisan, he is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican.

Spoiler

Why is a letter in a video?

 

[newme]

That’s actually most people on both sides of party politics, though. When was the last time you read a manifesto cover to cover (alright, maybe the wrong audience). People don’t construct their reality in little logical, consistent steps that lead to a conclusion.

Yeh I have been having a similar discussion lately elsewhere, people online discussing politics massively overestimate how much other people know about politics. I'd bet if I walked out the door and found the first 100 people barely half could name the leader of the Lib Dems, the ones that didn't wisely avoid me asking stupid questions anyway.
I quite happily went cold turkey with all news for 5 years, it was quite relaxing but before 24 hour news was a thing and so much pushing on various platforms. What difference did it make to me? It was quieter and I spent more time doing other things. Made no odds to the election locally or nationwide as I lost every single vote until the last one which was simply anti-tory again and still a tory got in locally. Did reduce stress levels of seeing who was being blown up today, where some nutter had shoot up a school, etc etc etc.

I was well aware just about everything you could think of that was awful was probably happening somewhere every minute if not more often. Removing yourself from that can be quite appealing, especially if you don't actually have much of a base of knowledge on it anyway or much interest. With work and sleep mostly taking up 2/3 of at least 5 days a week, other stuff to do, hobbies, families, etc etc. I can see why people don't spend a lot of their time outside of designated hours reading about political stuff, let alone all the fact checking and thinking thats then involved on top cos its often from a biased source, which also requires knowing that and on and on. There's so many other things to do that seem way more appealing.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Why is a letter in a video?

I don't know. But it's there, so it might be useful for people with eyesight problems, with the narration.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yeh I have been having a similar discussion lately elsewhere, people online discussing politics massively overestimate how much other people know about politics. I'd bet if I walked out the door and found the first 100 people barely half could name the leader of the Lib Dems, the ones that didn't wisely avoid me asking stupid questions anyway.
I quite happily went cold turkey with all news for 5 years, it was quite relaxing but before 24 hour news was a thing and so much pushing on various platforms. What difference did it make to me? It was quieter and I spent more time doing other things. Made no odds to the election locally or nationwide as I lost every single vote until the last one which was simply anti-tory again and still a tory got in locally. Did reduce stress levels of seeing who was being blown up today, where some nutter had shoot up a school, etc etc etc.

I was well aware just about everything you could think of that was awful was probably happening somewhere every minute if not more often. Removing yourself from that can be quite appealing, especially if you don't actually have much of a base of knowledge on it anyway or much interest. With work and sleep mostly taking up 2/3 of at least 5 days a week, other stuff to do, hobbies, families, etc etc. I can see why people don't spend a lot of their time outside of designated hours reading about political stuff, let alone all the fact checking and thinking thats then involved on top cos its often from a biased source, which also requires knowing that and on and on. There's so many other things to do that seem way more appealing.

Have to admit that I do not recall the name of the leader of the Liberal Democrats right now.