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Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
It's condescending to expect people to vote for more of the same if their lives go from bad to worse in any case, or as far as their experience and community informs them that it will. They might not be as politically 'well read' for whatever reason, doesn't make them any stupider or morally inferior.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Watching the rich white folk dancing and screaming over his victory speech.
It's surreal. I suspect they're the real "winners" in all of this.
It's surreal. I suspect they're the real "winners" in all of this.
story
Changing the facts
Who?
You mean the fucked over used up undermined white working class miners, steel workers, shrimp fishermen, small farmers, abattoir workers gas station grocery store feed outlet hair salon owners endless others? Fuck off. Their livelihoods have been destroyed and there’s fuck all they can do about it.
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
they have chosen to put a target on themselves while shitting on anyone who isn't white , cisgender and heterosexual
you really don't get this do you
every problem MAGAts have they brought upon themselves
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
painting a target on yourself and then whinging is such a Hatie Plopkins move
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I'm truly all out of fucks for the people who will meet the consequences of their continued voting of these cunts in, but it's pretty clear the way they've been shit on by the liberal establishment is the cause of it. You can't say they brought their economic circumstances entirely on themselves.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
It would be, but they have voted for more of the same.
How politically well read they are has absolutely nothing to do with me believing that non-rich people voting for Trump are being stupid - you really don't need to read anything at all to know that he's going to favour rich people and screw over poor and middle income people, because he's outright said that's what he's planning to do.
Sometimes I'm stupid, sometimes you are, same for everyone. Why is someone somehow immune from their actions being called stupid just because they voted for Trump? Do they need protecting or something? I don't think they'd agree with that somehow.
Idpol is the cause of some of it, for certain. But a lot of it is just that we all know the world is fucked, and quite a lot of people are choosing not to try to stop that, but just make the most of what's left, in a nihilistic hedonistic way.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
I suspect the ruling class has far more power over the state than Trump does over the ruling class. Result: economy bumbles along.
Me and you know that. It's sad. It's not that obvoius in many places.
You can call them stupid all you want. Blame them all you want. I'd only go back to my comment that you quoted.
Another factor for me is that gay people and trans people will gravitate to the left and pro-working class politics. And will always be welcome there. That's a base right there. A massive one potentially.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Also, it's not about how politically 'well-read' people are, nowadays it's much more about incredibly cunningly manipulated social media, which is where a lot of people now get their news.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
This is clearly the way forward.Indeed. They should also though be backed by a rabid media that glosses over all the mistakes, crimes, rape allegations etc they're accused of and blows up and repeatedly highlights any minor indiscretion on the republican side. And have a massive tame social media platform that's stuffed with the far left which are allowed to peddle out and out lies and allows very little criticism
Fucking hell... as if it couldnt get worse. we might get these fucking parasites back
www.mirror.co.uk
Harry's 'extremely foolish' move could see him and Meghan booted out of US
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are said to have "a back up plan" in place if they are kicked out of the US by Donald Trump, who today won the nation's presidential election
www.mirror.co.uk
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Someone I know who works in marketing reckons Trump did very well by getting people who appeal to men aged 30-50 to campaign for him or give him exposure via social media etc - he cited Musk, Hulk Hogan, Dana White and Joe Rogan as examples who influence that cohort.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Another site I'm on has started deleting posts heavily critical of Trump especialy if you mention facts like his convictions, misogynist comments and propensity for telling lies and alternative realities.
Dark(er) days ahead for democracy and the world
Dark(er) days ahead for democracy and the world
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Of course all major parties are racist, I'm amazed anyone could dispute that. I don't think that all major parties are exactly as racist to exactly the same amount, but what are you saying here? The Democratic Party is not pro-genocide when it comes to Gaza? They are pro-genocide but in a respectful, non-racist way? Come on.
I think that, to pick one fairly obvious example, Trump supporters in Western North Carolina are currently facing some fairly serious problems that they can't really be said to have directly brought upon themselves.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
That's a massive assumption.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
He would have been elected as Vice-President. The maxim term of office is ten years not eight enabling a former veep who has succeeded but served less than two years to serve two further terms. However, there may be a rule that Says that a two term president can't stand as a vice-president. Also, nobody would, chose Trump as their second and even if they did he'd probably already be brown bread
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Aye. Have met conservatives, and various right wingers in various LGBTQ circles. It's not always as right on as some might think.
That media won't exist in four years. They should all be terrified and all because they treated him the same way as they did in 2016, knowing all they knew.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
The thing I don't get with all the "just call 'em racists" stuff is, what's the strategy? What are we trying to achieve? Like, sure, if people just need catharsis then that's fine, I don't wanna knock that. But at some point you have to ask, how do we move towards a world, or state of affairs or whatever, where stuff like this doesn't keep happening? The "try and engage with people respectfully" approach is difficult, and most of the time it'll fail like most projects fail, but at least I understand where it's coming from and what it's trying to do.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Well for me it's not about calling them rascist (or whatever) although that can be a perfectly valid strategy in some cases. It's about people not even wanting to accept that or not accept that it matters. So my question is how do you form strategy without taking it into account?
Also strategy for what, what is you end goal?
teqniq
DisMembered
Some observations and advice for Americans with Trump's new term. Some of this may be useful in the UK and elsewhere:
crimethinc.com
History Repeats Itself: First as Farce, Then as Tragedy
In many ways, the Democrats are responsible for Donald Trump’s return to power. Let's explore why.
Democrats were recently seen crowing about tying extreme, Trumpist border legislation to some other policy (might have been arms for Ukraine, can't remember) oh ho they really trapped them there! What a fun game.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I’ve consumed a bunch of lefty analysis of Trump’s second term and everything I’ve read/watched fundamentally misses the point. These analyses focus on what Trump’s policies will be. Policies, although they can have a very harmful impact, can always be reversed by the next administration and can also be hampered by lack of state capacity (Trump’s wall and immigration plans in his first term fell far short of what he’d promised).
The far greater damage Trump and his policy-makers can do is to the institutions of governance. Trump’s appointment of 3 justices to the Supreme Court in his first term led of course to the overturning of abortion rights and countless many other terrible rulings that outlasted his first term.
This term it’s likely that the aging conservative justices Thomas and Alito will retire under Trump’s watch and he’ll get to replace them with with younger justices, who quite possibly are even more extreme. There’s also the possibility that liberal justice Sonia Sotomayor may die or retire (she’s 70 and has type 1 diabetes). Worst case scenario, Trump could lock in a 7-2 ultra conservative super majority Supreme Court for many decades which will have life time unreviewable power to strike down any legislation it wishes.
In addition, and potentially even more terrifyingly, Trump will have - thanks to his own handpicked justices - absolutel immunity from criminal prosecution for all his core official acts (for example, anything relating to the military or justice department). This means Trump can’t be prosecuted for ordering a military coup, ordering the military assassination of his political rivals or ordering the justice department to prosecute his rivals on trumped-up charges. I know that sounds insane, but that is the genuine holding of the Supreme Court. Given that Trump already attempted a coup in 2021, it’s not at all far fetched that he might try these things. He’s also said he’ll ‘root out the enemy within’ so for once perhaps we should take him at his word.
The far greater damage Trump and his policy-makers can do is to the institutions of governance. Trump’s appointment of 3 justices to the Supreme Court in his first term led of course to the overturning of abortion rights and countless many other terrible rulings that outlasted his first term.
This term it’s likely that the aging conservative justices Thomas and Alito will retire under Trump’s watch and he’ll get to replace them with with younger justices, who quite possibly are even more extreme. There’s also the possibility that liberal justice Sonia Sotomayor may die or retire (she’s 70 and has type 1 diabetes). Worst case scenario, Trump could lock in a 7-2 ultra conservative super majority Supreme Court for many decades which will have life time unreviewable power to strike down any legislation it wishes.
In addition, and potentially even more terrifyingly, Trump will have - thanks to his own handpicked justices - absolutel immunity from criminal prosecution for all his core official acts (for example, anything relating to the military or justice department). This means Trump can’t be prosecuted for ordering a military coup, ordering the military assassination of his political rivals or ordering the justice department to prosecute his rivals on trumped-up charges. I know that sounds insane, but that is the genuine holding of the Supreme Court. Given that Trump already attempted a coup in 2021, it’s not at all far fetched that he might try these things. He’s also said he’ll ‘root out the enemy within’ so for once perhaps we should take him at his word.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Crimethinc's hastily knocked-off piece is pretty decent imo:
History Repeats Itself: First as Farce, Then as Tragedy
In many ways, the Democrats are responsible for Donald Trump’s return to power. Let's explore why.
Some observations and advice for Americans with Trump's new term. Some of this may be useful in the UK and elsewhere:
History Repeats Itself: First as Farce, Then as Tragedy
In many ways, the Democrats are responsible for Donald Trump’s return to power. Let's explore why.
At some point yesterday this reversal of the original "first as tragedy, then as farce" occurred to me, but I confess I wasn't able to take it any further.
andysays
Love and solidarity
There is no strategy for people like InArduisFouette and many others
They literally have nothing beyond angrily accusing people of misogyny, racism, transphobia etc.
They are incapable of even beginning to understand why people who think differently to them might do so or how form an argument against misogyny, racism, transphobia etc, and are an obstruction to coming up with a coherent strategy to counter Trump and other manifestations of the far right.
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
except they did by continuing to vote for the Selfservative option
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