Donald Trump - MAGAtwat news and discussion

[Serene]

Trump has said the elections were rigged and has demanded a recount.

 

[existentialist]

people get more racist when they have less money in their pocket ..

must be someone fault it not mine .. lets me find a minority to blame

And of course, populist demagogues are very good at finding the "other", the REAL cause of your problems. All it takes is the point of a finger.

 

[Serene]

Don Bacon for the Repukes in Nebraska. An obvious gammon,. Hes just been on CNN.

 

[Serene]

Trump has said the elections were rigged and has demanded a recount.

Gentlegreen. I am sorry, I am joking.

 

[two sheds]

Gentlegreen. I am sorry, I am joking.

I think that was an ironic

 

[Serene]

On CNN now, Jack Smith in talks with DOJ to end Trump prosecutions. Special counsel Jack Smith. They are looking at ways they can end all of Trumps impending prosecutions.

 

[Serene]

Trump is due to hear his sentence in NY in 3 weeks for 64 cases of falsifying business accounts ( the first prosecution hes facing out of all the outstanding ones ).

 

[Boo Radley75]

One of the more surprising recruits to the Trump cult is golfer Rory Mcilroy. Apparently he reckons Trump and Elon Musk are going to bring peace to professional golf, for some reason. Guess I shouldn't be too surprised after his sour grapes when he didn't win the sports personality of the year award. Nearly as sore a loser as Trump.

Donald Trump and Elon Musk can bring PGA Tour and LIV Golf together, says Rory McIlroy

Donald Trump's return to the White House can help pave the way for peace in golf's 'civil war', says four-time major champion Rory McIlroy.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ax^]

Trump is due to hear his sentence in NY in 3 weeks for 64 cases of falsifying business accounts ( the first prosecution hes facing out of all the outstanding ones ).

he gets presidential immunity once in office so gonna be a hard sale for him to face any real conquensces

 

[marty21]

Trump can't run in 28, could he run as VP to Vance? Then , if Vance wins, he could die in mysterious circumstances just after inauguration, and Trump gets a 3rd Term (gets around the pesky need to be elected) .

 

[WouldBe]

Gentlegreen. I am sorry, I am joking.

Wouldn't surprise me if he did ask for a recount.

 

[Serene]

He has federal and also state prosecutions that are coming up in a long line.

 

[Serene]

Electoral representatives are above the Law! Tell Raskolnikov.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Trump can't run in 28, could he run as VP to Vance? Then , if Vance wins, he could die in mysterious circumstances just after inauguration, and Trump gets a 3rd Term (gets around the pesky need to be elected) .

I think the 22nd would still come into effect, wouldn't it? He'd have had two terms, he wouldn't be able to serve another day, under any circumstances, so it'd be the next person in succession?

 

[marty21]

I think the 22nd would still come into effect, wouldn't it? He'd have had two terms, he wouldn't be able to serve another day, under any circumstances, so it'd be the next person in succession?

Surely in that scenario he could still be president as he wasn't elected.

 

[Serene]

Trump won because Harris didnt have a hat, with a slogan on it.

 

[marty21]

If Trump does manage to change the constitution & run for a 3rd term , then it would be Hello Obama ! & Trump knows he would lose .

 

[Lord Camomile]

Surely in that scenario he could still be president as he wasn't elected.

I didn't think it was about being elected? Literally just 'ye can't be Prez if ye already done two terms'.

I mean, I could just go and check. But when did anyone get anywhere doing anything like that?

<edit: t'would seem there is some d'bate.

As worded, the focus of the 22nd Amendment is on limiting individuals from being elected to the presidency more than twice. Questions have been raised about the amendment's meaning and application, especially in relation to the 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, which states, "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." While the 12th Amendment stipulates that the constitutional qualifications of age, citizenship, and residency apply to the president and vice president, it is unclear whether someone who is ineligible to be elected president due to term limits could be elected vice president. Because of the ambiguity, a two-term former president could possibly be elected vice president and then succeed to the presidency as a result of the incumbent's death, resignation, or removal from office, or succeed to the presidency from another stated office in the presidential line of succession.

 

[marty21]

I didn't think it was about being elected? Literally just 'ye can't be Prez if ye already done two terms'.

I mean, I could just go and check. But when did anyone get anywhere doing anything like that?

It's all pointless speculation tbf , but I think the constitution states that a president can't be elected for more than 2 terms . A VP taking over after the death of a president is not technically elected as president, so that restriction doesn't apply.

Part of me would love Trump to run as Vance's VP in 28 , & then Vance decides not to resign as previously agreed. Because he's the president & likes the gig .

 

[InArduisFouette]

In some ways this is the crux of the issue.

You're baffled by them. They know they're unreadable and thereby get trashed by those they see as elitist: educated, privileged, more enabled and facilitated by the systems... There experience is being kept down booted down ignored etc, and they also see Black and Brown people, refugees, LGBTQ, etc all getting help and sympathy.

They feel beaten bruised and insulted.

they have put a target on themselves and chosen to play victim

 

[Lord Camomile]

It's all pointless speculation tbf

Well, yeah...?

 

[Cloo]

I'm sorry, but people who voted for a racist, misogynistic, overall generally bigoted arsehole are themselves racist, misogynistic, generally bigoted arseholes. Most of them are also stupid, because he is going to fuck the US economy, especially for lower income people, and they chose that.

And it'll fuck the middle classes as well, so they'll be in for a shock. Literally the only people Trump's GOP want to help are the mega rich and the mega rich do not want to help anyone else get rich.

I think one certainly can't avoid the conclusion given the magnitude of the win that - people wanted this. Didn't matter who the Dem candidate was, didn't matter how they campaigned, the majority of the American public wanted this (well the white population) and now there's a decent chance they will never get to choose anything else. Not within a United States of America at least.

 

[Ax^]

but gases prices will be cheaper

oh wait that not controlled by the president office

 

[Ming]

Trump won because Harris didnt have a hat, with a slogan on it.

MAGAA (Make America Great Again...Again).

 

[chandlerp]

America just had a recunt

 

[Yossarian]

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Biden MUST declare victory for Harris and bring multiple court cases to STOP THE STEAL

Those numbers suggest the next Democratic nominee should try appealing to Democratic voters instead of hanging out with Liz Cheney and making a play for disaffected Republicans

 

[two sheds]

Indeed. They should also though be backed by a rabid media that glosses over all the mistakes, crimes, rape allegations etc they're accused of and blows up and repeatedly highlights any minor indiscretion on the republican side. And have a massive tame social media platform that's stuffed with the far left which are allowed to peddle out and out lies and allows very little criticism

 

[hitmouse]

Crimethinc's hastily knocked-off piece is pretty decent imo:

History Repeats Itself: First as Farce, Then as Tragedy

In many ways, the Democrats are responsible for Donald Trump’s return to power. Let's explore why.

crimethinc.com

Ultimately, we cannot blame the Democrats for everything. We are the ones who failed to build movements powerful enough to survive their efforts to suppress us. We are the ones who are as yet unprepared to stop Trump from deporting millions of people and channeling billions of dollars more to billionaires and the security apparatus of the state.

Fortunately, this story is not over yet.

We have a responsibility not to let the election statistics demobilize us. As we wrote in 2016, in response to Trump’s first victory,

Elections serve to represent us to each other at our worst, distilling the most offensive, cowardly, and servile aspects of the species. Many people who would never personally wrest a mother from her children are capable of endorsing deportation from the privacy of a voting booth, just as most people who eat meat could never work at a slaughterhouse. Were it not for the alienation that characterizes government itself, most of the ugly policies comprising the Trump agenda could never be implemented.

There will be a brief window of possibility now when millions of people who had counted on the Democrats to keep them safe wake up and realize that we are each other’s only hope. We have to take action immediately to make contact with each other, to reestablish all that we have lost since the year 2020.

We have to undertake proactive projects that will distinguish us from the political parties, projects that show what everyone has to gain from our proposals, and that offer opportunities to people from all walks of life to get involved in the project of changing the world for the better.

The good news is that we can do this. We’ve done it before. See you on the front lines.

There's also this from Black Rose, which is mostly a sensible enough statement of the basics, their closing bit does veer a bit too much into the platformist version of build-the-party for me but maybe they're not wrong:

Don't Panic, Organize: Meeting the Moment of Trump's Second Term

Donald Trump has once again ascended to the Presidency. Below we lay out our recommendations for how to respond.

blackrosefed.org

The “choice” of this election, like all elections, presented us with no choice at all: one program of open reaction and the other friendly-faced genocide. Still, a Trump victory was far from inevitable.

Presented with an opportunity to overhaul their platform, the Democratic Party instead swapped one stand-in for another without any significant change in position. This was most glaring in Biden and later Harris’s willingness to sacrifice the votes of Muslim and Arab Americans by refusing to even slow—let alone stop—US facilitation of Israel’s genocidal wars in Gaza and Lebanon.

But other factors prevailed too, including the Democrats’ failure to articulate anything resembling a plan to address compounding crises around profit hungry price-gouging, the cost of living, housing, bodily autonomy, or healthcare.

It is impossible now to argue that Trump is an aberration. He is as American as apple pie, a product of the system of domination that structures our society. If we are to confront a second Trump administration, we must also confront this system of domination—a task that will require organization, bravery, and commitment.

So here we are. While you might be feeling fear, anger, and despair right now, it’s not a time to back down. It’s time to step up...
Bring the energy from the streets back home by getting organized and building power in everyday institutions of social life. This might mean organizing a union at work, a tenant union at your apartment complex, an assembly in your neighborhood, or a student organization at school.

In places where these organizations already exist, our task is to build rank-and-file capacity to lead from below and turn them into effective fighting organizations.

Don’t get us wrong, none of these things are simple or easy to do—that’s the point!

If we want to create real material leverage that can meet the moment, fight back the worst of what Trump has planned, defend ourselves, and ultimately transform society from the bottom up, we have to build durable organizations that can exert popular power in the places where we work, live, or study...

As we saw with the first Trump term, millions of people will now be looking for places to channel their frustration—many are going to be open to developing a systemic critique of capitalism and the state. We must be prepared to welcome these newcomers with open arms, patience, and kindness.

Rejecting both paternalism and structurelessness, our movements have to be places that educate and arm people with the tools to fight effectively, while also maintaining truly democratic and bottom up structures.

We’re not building exclusive activist clubhouses, we’re building combative mass movements that can fight back and win.

Actually looking over it they number their points 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5. But other than that it's decent enough.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I think one certainly can't avoid the conclusion given the magnitude of the win that - people wanted this. Didn't matter who the Dem candidate was, didn't matter how they campaigned

Yeah, see, I'm not sure the latter is the logical conclusion to the former.

It's very depressing that so many people were willing to vote for Trump, and that certainly says something about them in itself. However, I'd still bet that plenty of 'em would also be willing to vote for someone else.

This certainly isn't directed explicitly at you, it's just prompted the thought, but I always find it weird when people seem to think that other people simply "are who they are, nothing to be done about it". As if each of us haven't been shaped by our experiences and those around us, haven't been won over by one argument or another. Like the art of persuasion simply stopped existing.

To a certain extent, at least, I do understand the feeling that "if they'd vote for someone like Trump, they'd never vote for someone like <person I'd prefer>". But on the other hand... I dunno, I just feel like it's missing a really big piece of the pie, and tying your hands behind your back to think there's nothing that can be done to convince people to vote/think/act differently. Makes it much fucking harder to win anything, that's for sure.

I do appreciate it's easier for me to say, in my position. I, and most of those closest too me, won't be directly in the firing line, at least for now. The fear and anger is far more abstract than for others. But it's also simply something I've always believed, in every aspect of life.

I'm also not trying to suggest it's easy. If it was, I'd be doing far more than the pitiful amount I do. Simply that it's possible. But it'll get harder and harder every day without it.

 

[hitmouse]

Also thought this from Kai Cheng Thom was quite nice:

How to survive the apocalypse (again) | Xtra Magazine

Wherever there is a history of homophobia and transphobia, we also find a history of our people celebrating community, mutual care and joy

xtramagazine.com

In the mental health professions, “resilience” is often roughly defined as the ability to adapt to stressful circumstances while maintaining social, emotional and cognitive functionality. Frankly, when I was a social worker working with impoverished, marginally housed and often disabled queers, this definition seemed almost cruel. In an oppressive society, the imperative to be resilient so often becomes yet another capitalist demand to keep being productive at all costs; meanwhile, a supposed lack of resilience is weaponized to judge and blame individuals for struggling in a social landscape that is specifically designed to isolate and exploit them.


Yet today, as the bombs paid for by our tax dollars continue to fall on thousands of children an ocean away, as unprecedented hurricanes and forest fires ravage poor and racialized communities all over the planet and chorus of voices calling for bodies like mine to be eradicated from public life grows ever louder, I cannot help but think that queer resilience is more important than ever: not resilience as the stiff upper lip, not the grin-and-bear-it-with-grit-mindset-now-get-back-to-work mentality so popularized in dominant culture psychology today, but rather resilience as the spiritual commitment to our shared dignity and joy while remaining responsive to collective suffering.

Resilience reframed from the perspective of interpersonal connection rather than individual striving has deep roots in many communities and cultures, and offers us a different map for how to live in terrifying times than the one offered by mainstream medicine and psychotherapy...

How do queer and trans people survive the current apocalypse? The truth is, we will do it the way we always have. The truth is also that we will lose people along the way, as we sadly always have. Yet the knowledge of how to be with unbearable tragedy while continuing to celebrate the fact of our existence and possibility of hope is something that is deeply woven into the strands of our cultural memory.

If resilience is social networks, shared purpose and emotional connection, then let us recall the resilience of the bathhouse, the ballroom, the midnight cruising grounds, the places where a commitment to the life-giving power of pleasure gave birth to shared political purpose. Let us recall the resilience of protest and community organizing in response to police raids—of Stonewall, Sex Garage and Pussy Palace. The resilience of Gays and Lesbians Support the Miners, a group of U.K.-based queers who showed us the power of solidarity between queer struggles and the labour movement. The resilience response to the AIDS crisis that wove a quilt around the world. The resilience of lesbians who came together to provide care for dying gay men at a time when doctors were too afraid to provide them care for fear of contamination.

Wherever there is a history of homophobia and transphobia, we also find a history of our people celebrating community, mutual care and joy, of the ways in which we create beauty amidst the horrors.