Doctor Who 2022

[danny la rouge]

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I missed that episode because I was in japan, then I heard about it so decided it was probably best that I gave it a swerve. I never saw any of it but from what I can see in the tweet the worst of how I imagined it is real.

 

[danny la rouge]

I missed that episode because I was in japan, then I heard about it so decided it was probably best that I gave it a swerve. I never saw any of it but from what I can see in the tweet the worst of how I imagined it is real.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Big contemporary Earth apocalypse stories, especially where they are solved by time being reset. It was also an example of the Doctor-as-Messiah trope stories, which I'm also not a fan of.

However, Tiny Old Ten in a Cage is a useful metaphor in my head that I return to from time to time. Sometimes the most awful idea realisations in Who are the best head tropes.

 

[danny la rouge]

Legend of the Sea Devils is almost upon us!

 

[Epona]

Oh crap, I'd better run to the loo, get beer, and switch over from The Monolith Monsters on the Horror Channel (it has been one of the weakest of all their classic sci-fi offerings this weekend, so no big loss).

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

When is it on?

 

[Epona]

When is it on?

Now, it started about 15 minutes ago

Hope you managed to catch the beginning!

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Now, it started about 15 minutes ago

Hope you managed to catch the beginning!

Nah, I'll guess I'll do it on a catch up BBCi

 

[Epona]

Nah, I'll guess I'll do it on a catch up BBCi

I'm going to have to watch it tomorrow too, missed some of it due to reasons beyond my control. OH will want to watch it when he gets home from work in the morning so that would be a good time to try again!

 

[Saffy]

Next trailer produced much excitement from my husband.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I'm going to have to watch it tomorrow too, missed some of it due to reasons beyond my control. OH will want to watch it when he gets home from work in the morning so that would be a good time to try again!

I'm a bit worried that I am not actually in the slightest bit interested in watching it.
My daughter is away, so there is no father daughter watching . . . but I don't actually think she would be interested anymore anyway.
It fear it might be over.

That said, it's only 8pm, and the film I am watching is nearly done.

 

[danny la rouge]

Lots to love about that! Loved this line:

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No ship, Sherlock!

The trailer showed a return for

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Tegan, too! The last of Four's companions

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Loved the way it dealt with

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Thasmin, too.

 

[lazythursday]

Not watched the episode, but have watched the next time trailer about a dozen times in total teenage fanboy rapture.

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But what if Chibnall manages to completely fuck up memories of Tegan like he has almost everything else? Don't care so much for Ace.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

As usual I wasn't mega keen.

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Why why why why why does the doctor have to have relationships like this? I'm sick of doctors wives, and assistants falling for him/her, all that Rose bullshit

As for the coming up.

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I didn't spot Tegan but had a nice chuckle at seeing Ace. I always hated Ace but strangely are more interested in seeing her than Tegan. Fucking Daleks again, yawn

 

[Kaka Tim]

shite. plot was utterly inconsequential nothing. with magic wand set ups and solutions to everything.
dr who needs to call it a day

 

[danny la rouge]

As usual I wasn't mega keen.

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Why why why why why does the doctor have to have relationships like this? I'm sick of doctors wives, and assistants falling for him/her, all that Rose bullshit

As for the coming up.

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I didn't spot Tegan but had a nice chuckle at seeing Ace. I always hated Ace but strangely are more interested in seeing her than Tegan. Fucking Daleks again, yawn

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It makes perfect sense to me that the Doctor’s travelling companions will sometimes fall for her/him. If you’re spending a lot of time with someone you find fascinating and exciting, you would. It doesn’t always happen, but it will sometimes. Why not?

And as for the Doctor, why should she be asexual? She knows she’ll outlive humans, that she’ll regenerate, that falling for humans causes problems, but she’s had a family before. We know there’s been children, a granddaughter. Why should she never fall in love? She’s got two hearts, ffs!

I liked the handling of the storyline. It was what I wanted. I don’t want the Doctor to be without feelings.

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[danny la rouge]

shite. plot was utterly inconsequential nothing. with magic wand set ups and solutions to everything.
dr who needs to call it a day

Or, here’s an idea, you could stop watching it.

I enjoyed it.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

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It makes perfect sense to me that the Doctor’s travelling companions will sometimes fall for her/him. If you’re spending a lot of time with someone you find fascinating and exciting, you would. It doesn’t always happen, but it will sometimes. Why not?

And as for the Doctor, why should she be asexual? She knows she’ll outlive humans, that she’ll regenerate, that falling for humans causes problems, but she’s had a family before. We know there’s been children, a granddaughter. Why should she never fall in love? She’s got two hearts, ffs!

I liked the handling of the storyline. It was what I wanted. I don’t want the Doctor to be without feelings.

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Well then I think we want different things. I think the doctor should be above all the feely weely stuff, he / she was never like that before. Compassion and a bit of empathy maybe. One of my favourite things is how Tom Baker left Sarah Jane. Didn't even bother to double check that he actually left her in South Croydon. He was just a kid playing with ants and was called in for his tea.

Apart from being out of character, the relationship was not really even developed on screen and it drags the whole thing down. . . Probably not as bad as all that Billy Piper shit though.

 

[BoxRoom]

Well then I think we want different things. I think the doctor should be above all the feely weely stuff, he she was never like that before. Compassion and a bit of empathy maybe. One of my favourite things is how Tom Baker left Sarah Jane. Didn't even bother to double check that he actually left her in South Croydon. He was just a kid playing with ants and was called in for his tea.

Apart from being out of character, the relationship was not really even developed on screen and it drags the whole thing down. . . Probably not as bad as all that Billy Piper shit though.

I like that, the bit I bolded there.
That episode I watched tonight though, the bit I saw before I fell into a coma, was shite. I missed the trailer for next time, which I have now seen. Good to see some Big Finish actors coming back. (it's going to be shite, isn't it)

 

[Kaka Tim]

Or, here’s an idea, you could stop watching it.

I enjoyed it.

I had. Thought id give the special a spin. Regretted it.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Got about halfway through that then gave up. The acting was crap, the direction was crap, the script was crap.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It was definitely a bit of a flat-liner. It felt very amateur. I'm not feeling any of the chemistry any of the characters are claiming to have in the script. Somethings not right. The northern guy as a fancy dress pirate was the best bit.

 

[danny la rouge]

Sure, I’d agree it was flat in story terms. Not a top episode. But at least it was a story. I’ve been rewatching New Who, and towards the end of RTD1 there are some terrible long emote-fests. Ten’s last two episodes are terrible. This multiplies in the Moffat era, when in his worst episodes he adds in long periods of confusing nonsense hoping we’ll think it’s clever when really it’s just try-hard.

And it was far more watchable than most Classic Who is now. Faint praise, maybe, but I watched the Jon Pertwee Sea Devils in preparation. It’s terrible!

 

[Kaka Tim]

And it was far more watchable than most Classic Who is now. Faint praise, maybe, but I watched the Jon Pertwee Sea Devils in preparation. It’s terrible!

so so wrong.



and they looked better in 1972.

 

[Epona]

I'm not going to stand for any dissing of Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker - because that would be like pissing on my childhood, so Nope.

 

[lazythursday]

Sure, I’d agree it was flat in story terms. Not a top episode. But at least it was a story. I’ve been rewatching New Who, and towards the end of RTD1 there are some terrible long emote-fests. Ten’s last two episodes are terrible. This multiplies in the Moffat era, when in his worst episodes he adds in long periods of confusing nonsense hoping we’ll think it’s clever when really it’s just try-hard.

And it was far more watchable than most Classic Who is now. Faint praise, maybe, but I watched the Jon Pertwee Sea Devils in preparation. It’s terrible!

Perhaps they wouldn't stand up to a rewatch, but I remember being genuinely moved by many of the emotion-heavy RTD episodes - he can lay it on a bit thick sometimes but because he's so good at characterisation it works. I prefer the emotion of RTD to the clever-cleverness of Moffat. Looking back I think the focus on characters and emotion was what made the reboot so accessible and successful, it's what made it appeal to more than just a typical sci-fi audience. But unsure whether the trick will work a second time now audiences are so much more fractured.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm not going to stand for any dissing of Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker - because that would be like pissing on my childhood, so Nope.

Three and Four are "my" Doctors. I'm not dissing that at all. I'm saying that much as we loved it then, the Classic Series does not compare with New Who on a like-for-like basis. If someone is saying that any Classic Who is "more watchable" than even an average New Who, then they're just plain barking. It takes effort and fandom to watch Classic Who. I know: I do it. There's no way you could get a modern audience to sit through even my favourite Classic stories (The Dalek Invasion of Earth, The War Games, Genesis of the Daleks, etc).

 

[Epona]

Perhaps they wouldn't stand up to a rewatch, but I remember being genuinely moved by many of the emotion-heavy RTD episodes - he can lay it on a bit thick sometimes but because he's so good at characterisation it works. I prefer the emotion of RTD to the clever-cleverness of Moffat. Looking back I think the focus on characters and emotion was what made the reboot so accessible and successful, it's what made it appeal to more than just a typical sci-fi audience. But unsure whether the trick will work a second time now audiences are so much more fractured.

God no it all got a bit worthy with really loud ambient music.

I'd welcome a return to "time traveller finds themselves in a variety of historical settings" territory. I don't like the long story arcs, or the feelings between the Doctor and his companions. I especially don't like his companions being "special" in some sort of cosmic way.

FFS just accidentally have a history teacher walk into the TARDIS and have some episodes that are historically interesting without every single last fart being of cosmic importance.

EDIT - just seen your post danny la rouge - I am not saying it needs to go back to Classic Who - clearly there are better production values now for a start - but some of the modern stuff just seems to be trying way too hard, a bit more of a basic story wouldn't go amiss at times.

 

[danny la rouge]

Looking back I think the focus on characters and emotion was what made the reboot so accessible and successful, it's what made it appeal to more than just a typical sci-fi audience.

Absolutely. Whether it was a "trick" or not is another question. Maybe it was just more three-dimensional writing.

 

[danny la rouge]

God no it all got a bit worthy with really loud ambient music.

I'd welcome a return to "time traveller finds themselves in a variety of historical settings" territory. I don't like the long story arcs, or the feelings between the Doctor and his companions. I especially don't like his companions being "special" in some sort of cosmic way.

FFS just accidentally have a history teacher walk into the TARDIS and have some episodes that are historically interesting without every single last fart being of cosmic importance.

I agree with all of that except the emphasised.