DNA, finger prints cetera lost...

[cyril_smear]

.... whoops.

Technical issue resolved after '150,000 police records lost'

The Home Office says it is working to "assess the impact" of the issue, which has been resolved.

www.bbc.co.uk

The article says the incident has been resolved but does that mean that the lost data has been recovered, or just that steps are being taken to make sure it won’t happen again.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

To find out if your's have been wiped, email them and ask if they'd like a fresh set of prints and DNA from you.

 

[cyril_smear]

To find out if your's have been wiped, email them and ask if they'd like a fresh set of prints and DNA from you.

They don’t have mine anyway. I’m a pillar of the community.

 

[salem]

It definitely reads to me like the lost data is gone.

 

[salem]

Reading between the lines I wonder if it's related to "It comes after around 40,000 alerts relating to European criminals were removed from the same database, the PNC, following Britain's post-Brexit deal with the EU." - the fact that it says the data was incorrectly marked for deletion.

Pure speculation but sounds to me like maybe a bad SQL query.

 

[cyril_smear]

It definitely reads to me like the lost data is gone.

The article says it was cases where no further action was taken, so not a big deal really IMO seeing as they shouldn’t even save your details, DNA, prints cetera if you aren’t charged.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The article says it was cases where no further action was taken,

It does say that. Convenient for quelling public outrage that it's only the non-criminals' details that have been wiped, clearly not a steaming pile of bullshit at all, oh no.

 

[cyril_smear]

It does say that. Convenient for quelling public outrage that it's only the non-criminals' details that have been wiped, clearly not a steaming pile of bullshit at all, oh no.

Are you always so cynical?

 

[Pickman's model]

Some years ago I found out that everything is backed up so if you deleted everyone off the library management system in error they could have the records restored. If the cops don't have a similar means to restore to how things were a few days previous I would be very surprised. After all this can hardly be the first time someone deleted something they weren't meant to. Pity it won't be Patel's head rolling

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you always so cynical?

A better question would be why is he so often right

 

[cyril_smear]

Some years ago I found out that everything is backed up so if you deleted everyone off the library management system in error they could have the records restored. If the cops don't have a similar means to restore to how things were a few days previous I would be very surprised. After all this can hardly be the first time someone deleted something they weren't meant to. Pity it won't be Patel's head rolling

I’m assuming that’s what “issue resolved” means. Still, they shouldn’t save a persons data if no action is taken.

 

[cyril_smear]

A better question would be why is he so often right

Stop pissing up their back.

 

[Pickman's model]

Stop pissing up their back.

I am not pissing on him at all

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m assuming that’s what “issue resolved” means. Still, they shouldn’t save a persons data if no action is taken.

So between the op and now you've resolved your uncertainty

 

[cyril_smear]

So between the op and now you've resolved your uncertainty

Explain it like I’m a 5 year old? I’m not following you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Explain it like I’m a 5 year old? I’m not following you.

You express uncertainty in the op

By post 11 you're assuming they can retrieve it

 

[cyril_smear]

You express uncertainty in the op

By post 11 you're assuming they can retrieve it

Your post confirmed my suspicion. I mean if a council can retrieve data then Shirley the polis can?

 

[nogojones]

Sometimes the files only go missing until the cops charges are dropped

The Cardiff Three: the long wait for justice

The case of the Cardiff Three was a gross miscarriage of justice which, 24 years on, remains unresolved. Can a report into the failed prosecution of eight police officers shed new light?

www.theguardian.com

 

[salem]

Some years ago I found out that everything is backed up so if you deleted everyone off the library management system in error they could have the records restored. If the cops don't have a similar means to restore to how things were a few days previous I would be very surprised. After all this can hardly be the first time someone deleted something they weren't meant to. Pity it won't be Patel's head rolling

I'd imagine there are data protection and policy issues as well as technical involved though. A library management system would quite rightly have a backup system in place that would allow retrieval of data in cases of stuff being delete erroneously.

However in the case of the police computers I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mode of deletion that means stuff is properly deleted to a standard that intentionally can't be retrieved. The fact this is in the news and they're making a big thing about how it's not important data anyway indicates that it's been properly deleted rather than just deleted and recovered which would hardly be newsworthy.

 

[cyril_smear]

I'd imagine there are data protection and policy issues as well as technical involved though. A library management system would quite rightly have a backup system in place that would allow retrieval of data in cases of stuff being delete erroneously.

However in the case of the police computers I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mode of deletion that means stuff is properly deleted to a standard that intentionally can't be retrieved. The fact this is in the news and they're making a big thing about how it's not important data anyway indicates that it's been properly deleted rather than just deleted and recovered which would hardly be newsworthy.

The exact opposite of what I thought, and what has been suggested then.

 

[two sheds]

However in the case of the police computers I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mode of deletion that means stuff is properly deleted to a standard that intentionally can't be retrieved.

You'd think it would be a two-stage process though, delete and then after a week say confirm delete.

 

[eatmorecheese]

I thought "The Thick Of It" was satire, not prediction. Irretrievable data loss catastro-fuck

 

[killer b]

I'm generally in favour of the state not retaining DNA and fingerprints of people who haven't been convicted of any crimes, so I cautiously welcome this fuck up.

 

[salem]

The exact opposite of what I thought, and what has been suggested then.

No idea, was just hypothesising why it might not be as easy to retrieve information from the Police computer than a library computer.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm generally in favour of the state not retaining DNA and fingerprints of people who haven't been convicted of any crimes, so I cautiously welcome this fuck up.

Where do you stand on the state retaining the details of those who accept a caution?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd imagine there are data protection and policy issues as well as technical involved though. A library management system would quite rightly have a backup system in place that would allow retrieval of data in cases of stuff being delete erroneously.

However in the case of the police computers I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mode of deletion that means stuff is properly deleted to a standard that intentionally can't be retrieved. The fact this is in the news and they're making a big thing about how it's not important data anyway indicates that it's been properly deleted rather than just deleted and recovered which would hardly be newsworthy.

Everything in the institution not just the library stuff was backed up. If the cops can lose a load of stuff by pressing delete and saying yes they're sure perhaps they need to revisit the resilience of their systems. Note to hackers - how well do you think the cops are prepared for a ransomware attack?

 

[cyril_smear]

Where do you stand on the state retaining the details of those who accept a caution?

You go first...

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

It is not possible to retrieve lost data.

This is why the firm that supplied the cladding at Grenfell were unable to cooporate with the enquiry. Lost data. Its a bummer. But thats how it is. And computer forensics is definitely not a thing.


I wonder what was in this lost data.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You go first...

I feel that cautions should be scrapped.

 

[cyril_smear]

I feel that cautions should be scrapped.

Straight to prosecution instead then?