Supine
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They’re such a waste of molecules. I’m happy the MSM doesn’t give them the time of day. It would only legitimise them.
Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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They’re such a waste of molecules. I’m happy the MSM doesn’t give them the time of day. It would only legitimise them.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
That indy media site is full Moon Boot
Indy Features - Indymedia Ireland
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Where as the UK one is empty of it
www.indymedia.org.uk
UK Indymedia
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
There's a thread on Indymedia Ireland, not sure if same person running it?
Not going to link to the thread after skimming it just now
souljacker
innit
Add the masts that have been just vandalised and it starts to top up. A mast near me has had 5g kills spray painted on it. If it's that dangerous, stay back a bit.
rekil
to menny cranks
Indymedia.ie has been 24/7 loonsville for some time. I see it features general purpose nutter Kevin Barrett and AIDS denialist Gary Null on their podcast page now.There's a thread on Indymedia Ireland, not sure if same person running it?
Not going to link to the thread after skimming it just now
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
So the latest misinformation being spread by the conspiranoids concerns maverick French virologist Prof Luc Montagnier. He'd already become a tinfoil merchant poster boy last year with his unsubstantiated claim that the Covid-19 virus had been artificially engineered using HIV (he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2008 for his discovery of the HIV virus, although the USA's Dr Robert Gallo also has a claim to have isolated and discovered it)
Conspiracy Twitter is full of a 'quote' by Montagnier, saying everyone who's been vaccinated will die within two years. I won't link to any of this shit but they're found easily enough on Twitter.
Typically, the tweeter will embed an interview excerpt, in which Montagnier says nothing of the kind. Instead, in the two-and-a-half minute clip being widely retweeted, he claims that mass vaccination is encouraging the growth of new variants and says he's studying illnesses in young people post-vaccination.
How f***ing difficult is it to watch a 2'30" video before tweeting it, accompanied by an inaccurate and hysterical falsehood about the same video. FFS, BigMoaner is right, by discouraging people from getting vaccinated, these deranged idiots have blood on their hands.
Conspiracy Twitter is full of a 'quote' by Montagnier, saying everyone who's been vaccinated will die within two years. I won't link to any of this shit but they're found easily enough on Twitter.
Typically, the tweeter will embed an interview excerpt, in which Montagnier says nothing of the kind. Instead, in the two-and-a-half minute clip being widely retweeted, he claims that mass vaccination is encouraging the growth of new variants and says he's studying illnesses in young people post-vaccination.
How f***ing difficult is it to watch a 2'30" video before tweeting it, accompanied by an inaccurate and hysterical falsehood about the same video. FFS, BigMoaner is right, by discouraging people from getting vaccinated, these deranged idiots have blood on their hands.
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hiraethified
That's so sad. Indymedia was once an important media outlet.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
in itself, there's nothing wrong with watching any source of information. but if i come across something that is so earth-shakingly contentious, there's a moral duty to actually see counter arguments. we don't live in these times. it takes a certain civility (like such is found in bucketloads in urban) to treat information with care. But Micheal on facebook and Susan on Whatsapp don't give a fuck. it's scary. lets hope it all slithers away if/when this ends.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
and i'm sure they would level my argument against me. that i spread covid confirmation material with no thought about implications.
but the big difference is: global scientific consensus, health services around the globe, trusted experts who are trusted by other trusted experts who have studied it for years at major universities. that's the difference. we had to play our cards and pick a side at the start of it. of course i haven't read most of the science!
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
urban has proven vital throughout this. if only for the users. i spent so long looking into this shit when my mate vanished head first down teh rabit hole that urban is now my only "conversation" i trust. i "trust" the guardian and the bbc and general news stories from most of our papers (i am not ashamed to stand up for our MSM in regards covid - they havent tried to walk people hand by hand to their deaths like this mob). but "online debates" - fuck that for a laugh. the stuff is everywhere.
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hiraethified
Ao there's this
I'll be honest - if this site had swerved deeply into anti vaxx loon territory and taken most if its regular posters with it, I would have closed it down.
I'll be honest - if this site had swerved deeply into anti vaxx loon territory and taken most if its regular posters with it, I would have closed it down.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Neither have I, but until recently I thought most sensible people were able to assess sources of information in a critical way and decide who to trust
For example, Montagnier may have co-discovered HIV, but his suggestion that the Covid-19 virus is man-made has been largely refuted by other virologists and epidemiologists. He’s also courted controversy with a research study that seemingly offers support for homeopathy.
So his claims that vaccines encourage mutant variants I take with a pinch of salt based on his track record. Maybe he’s correct but I remain unconvinced.
In any case, as far as I can see, nowhere has he said that everyone who’s been jabbed will die within two years!
It’s such a bizarre statement that it’s immediately a red flag; surely it invites scrutiny and scepticism? And wouldn’t someone want to verify it before spreading such alarmist, hysterical falsehoods?
Apparently not
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
it's an oasis. when people are old and it's all hopefully a distant memory they will look back with affection on the community here. i know i will. sensible people who seek to do no harm in their conversations. go to fucking reddit and you'll be in teh seventh circle of hell within minutes. and it's not even about disagreement. i've been on boards where probably half the board hangs right (football forums) and still conversations can be had and no one is pumping endless disinformation or even name calling. i fear for civil debate. urban has nothing to fear in that regard.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
nah, it'll be sweeping through whatsapp as we speak.Neither have I, but we can assess sources of information in a critical way and decide who to trust. Montagnier may have co-discovered HIV, but his suggestion that the Covid-19 virus is man-made has been largely refuted by other virologists and epidemiologists. He’s also courted controversy with a research study that seemingly offers support for homeopathy. So his claims that vaccines encourage mutant variants I take with a pinch of salt based on his track record.
But in any case, as far as I can tell, nowhere has he said that everyone who’s been jabbed will die within two years!
It’s such a bizarre statement that’s immediately a red flag; surely it invites scrutiny and scepticism? And wouldn’t someone want to verify it before spreading such alarmist, hysterical falsehoods?
Apparently not
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Agreed! Oasis of sanity is right. I’ve found Urban increasingly valuable as a reassurance that not everyone online has gone bonkers
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
It was never going to. This is an erudite place, loons get debunked fast, with facts.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I keep an open mind on the origins of the virus. I suspect that the source will never be unequivocally found.Neither have I, but until recently I thought most sensible people were able to assess sources of information in a critical way and decide who to trust
For example, Montagnier may have co-discovered HIV, but his suggestion that the Covid-19 virus is man-made has been largely refuted by other virologists and epidemiologists. He’s also courted controversy with a research study that seemingly offers support for homeopathy.
So his claims that vaccines encourage mutant variants I take with a pinch of salt based on his track record. Maybe he’s correct but I remain unconvinced.
In any case, as far as I can see, nowhere has he said that everyone who’s been jabbed will die within two years!
It’s such a bizarre statement that it’s immediately a red flag; surely it invites scrutiny and scepticism? And wouldn’t someone want to verify it before spreading such alarmist, hysterical falsehoods?
Apparently not
Virus research as a potential weapon happens in many countries, including our own. It is believable that this is a lab escape, but that doesn't make it a fact.
Here is a good TV news article about the rise of covid deniers and anti vaxxers from a few weeks ago:
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
From what I've read, there is some credible evidence for a Wuhan Institute of Virology lab leak in autumn/winter 2019; reports of roadblocks around the lab and an anomalous absence of mobile phone traffic pinpointed to the lab during a week or two in late 2019 (suggesting that it was temporarily shut down and evacuated).
And I see in today's news reports emerging of some Wuhan lab staff being admitted to hospital around that time. There was also a report a year or two or before, that raised concerns about the lab's biosecurity, so it doesn't seem impossible that some of the virus escaped. Essentially I wouldn't trust what the Chinese state say about anything; the Uighur Muslims, Tibet, their claim that Covid-19 began in the Wuhan 'wet market'...hmmm.
But there's a big difference between an accidental leak and it being deliberately introduced into the population; even more so that it was man-made (which the Covid-deniers, lockdown-sceptics and sovereign free thinkers fail to grasp. Just because a crack appears in the 'official narrative' it doesn't give credibility to outlandish ideas. I think that's what happening with the weaponisation of Prof Montagnier's interview: in casting doubt on the wisdom of mass vaccination he's then seen as a useful figurehead for the barking claim that "every vaccinated person will die within two years". A particularly egregious falsehood when, in support of this batshit, they cite an interview in which he says no such thing)
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l'Otters
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This is quite long. Compares the two scenarios: did sars-cov2 infect humans via a lab or via jumping species. It does make me think the former looks a lot more feasible than previously - I’m not a virologist though, gcse biology was a long time ago, so am taking the explanations of the science bits as read. (Maybe someone on here can disabuse me if the article gets those things wrong)
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
Of course the origin of the virus not matching the official narrative doesn’t make any of the other aspects of the official narrative necessarily false. Personally I’d tend to believe if it was from the lab it was a fuckup not a plan.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
Of course the origin of the virus not matching the official narrative doesn’t make any of the other aspects of the official narrative necessarily false. Personally I’d tend to believe if it was from the lab it was a fuckup not a plan.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Met someone at the weekend who is fairly politically active, demos, meetings, local politics, canvassed for Labour during Corbyn’s era.
She was saying how this Covid-denial stuff cuts across political divisions, it’s among the progressive left as well as the right.
She mentioned several people she knows, described them as radicals / anarchists, and how dismayed she had been when they started spouting this Great Reset / Agenda 21 gibberish.
We were talking about how there are powerful global organisations that influence governments’ policy and exert control over millions - but they’re not the Rothschilds, Bilderbergs or other ‘shadowy elites’.
Instead it’s Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Saudi Aramco, JP Morgan, Walmart, ExxonMobil, Facebook... Hiding in plain sight! The conspirazoids are looking in the wrong place.
She was saying how this Covid-denial stuff cuts across political divisions, it’s among the progressive left as well as the right.
She mentioned several people she knows, described them as radicals / anarchists, and how dismayed she had been when they started spouting this Great Reset / Agenda 21 gibberish.
We were talking about how there are powerful global organisations that influence governments’ policy and exert control over millions - but they’re not the Rothschilds, Bilderbergs or other ‘shadowy elites’.
Instead it’s Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Saudi Aramco, JP Morgan, Walmart, ExxonMobil, Facebook... Hiding in plain sight! The conspirazoids are looking in the wrong place.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah it's similar to when they go on about how the government is trying to control people. What the government that can pass laws and back them up with armed force you mean? That government?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
it's just the sort of emotionally satisfying "there's bad guys that run things" that features in teh cartoons my daughter watches. evil vilans and angelic forces.
as said, the real power is hiding in plain site. lobbying. the interests of capital. it's really not that shadowy, it's normative. just read the financial times, ffs.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
I don't fully understand the logic behind it. I suppose if someone was apprehensive about meeting face-to-face because they were clinically vulnerable, it would be reassuring to know their 'date' has been vaccinated - but (in the UK at least) vulnerable persons will most likely have received both jabs anyway. Maybe it is of potential reassurance to someone who is unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons (immune compromised etc). But wouldn't you just ask?
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Spot on. Like when a friend said she didn't believe in this Covid and thought it was just a means to "control the people". But, I sighed, governments are able to do this anyway, and without having to devastate their own economies. Aargh!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
And a lot of them never gave a shit before their life and movement was affected
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Is there anyone living in/near London who fancies meeting up to go along to this? We could make banners saying: "DON'T TRUST DOCTORS - YOUTUBE HAS THE ANSWERS" or "I'M A TATTOOIST - LET ME FIX YOUR BOILER"
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