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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

today being annoyed by the more subtle morons. 'just putting this out there'... 'decide for yourself'... 'two sides to consider'... while they put out demonstrably false information. no, there aren't two sides to consider with scientific facts. normally hippy twats presenting some big state conspiracy wrapped up in mind and body free spirit shit.
oh fuck the "what do you think?/decide for yourself/i'm just asking the question" sleight of hand is one of the biggest red flags in all of this. so much of their shite is prefaced with it.
 

to be fair, in my experience the bog standard "patriotic" right winger middle englander has largely been on board since the start. maybe its because it's a tory government telling them what to do. i think as it drifts further right it manifests, if we are talking right wing representation of this shite.

it's pretty calming when talking of right/left splits to note that vacinne uptake is, what, 90% - so that captures everyone. and these freaks, like my mate, who gets freaker and more nasty by the day, are out on a limb.

as i've said many times - the real barameter is the national media. if the right wing press start entertaining this stuff...end times. at least there has been largely massive resistance to covid denial across "main stream" right wing outlets. there might be some "we're all vaxed, deaths are down, lets open up sooner" rants, but that is not in anyway the same as what these "truth seekers" propose if you have a close look at their "eco systems".
 
oh fuck the "what do you think?/decide for yourself/i'm just asking the question" sleight of hand is one of the biggest red flags in all of this. so much of their shite is prefaced with it.
long before all this I had a drama queen mate who I eventually clocked onto because she used phrases like this to stir shit once too often
 
Is he anti-vaxx by the way? He'll be in contact with loads of people.

Perhaps tell him you don't believe he's taking his colloidal silver to ward off the virus.
I’m actually getting lessons off of two instructors cos neither were able to fit in two lessons a week - they’re very busy with the post-lockdown backlog, same thing with the actual tests, people are finding there’s no available slots till the autumn.
I actually prefer the ancient aliens guy as he’s more patient than the other feller who can be sarky on occasion... although sarko is very good at teaching manoeuvres like parallel and reverse bay parking by using reference points: “turn the wheel 360 degrees LEFT - reverse slowly until the wing mirror is covering the other car’s rear wheel arch - STOP - turn wheel 360 RIGHT - reverse slowly till wing mirror is at corner of car - STOP” etc

I don’t think ancient aliens is an antivaxxer - he’s very scrupulous about taking my temperature and giving me hand sanitiser before we begin - more rigorous than Johnny Sarko...

Aliens is so laid-back and laconic that I can’t quite tell if he’s being ironic when he says “gotta watch out for those shapeshifters”... his use of the term “muzzle” for face mask did ring alarm bells though
 
I’m actually getting lessons off of two instructors cos neither were able to fit in two lessons a week - they’re very busy with the post-lockdown backlog, same thing with the actual tests, people are finding there’s no available slots till the autumn.
I actually prefer the ancient aliens guy as he’s more patient than the other feller who can be sarky on occasion... although sarko is very good at teaching manoeuvres like parallel and reverse bay parking by using reference points: “turn the wheel 360 degrees LEFT - reverse slowly until the wing mirror is covering the other car’s rear wheel arch - STOP - turn wheel 360 RIGHT - reverse slowly till wing mirror is at corner of car - STOP” etc

I don’t think ancient aliens is an antivaxxer - he’s very scrupulous about taking my temperature and giving me hand sanitiser before we begin - more rigorous than Johnny Sarko...

Aliens is so laid-back and laconic that I can’t quite tell if he’s being ironic when he says “gotta watch out for those shapeshifters”... his use of the term “muzzle” for face mask did ring alarm bells though
In that case I'd sit down and work out and list what it is that you're not confident about, and tell them you want more practice to improve on those specific things. It won't half save you some money if you get through this time. And you're paying them so they should do what you ask.
 
I haven't looked myself, but I bet David Icke's forums will be one of the main ones in the UK.
I got so p155ed off with the sky fairy supporters, conspiracy loonspudery and woo 5h1te on there that I gave up even visiting.
Nothing you say even dents their conviction in their "knowing the TRUTH"
I had to block the domain to stop their "come back to the fold" spam trashing my emails.
 
In that case I'd sit down and work out and list what it is that you're not confident about, and tell them you want more practice to improve on those specific things. It won't half save you some money if you get through this time. And you're paying them so they should do what you ask.
Thanks - I think you’re right.

At this stage I really just need more practice on the road and dealing with traffic and the various situations that crop up; best thing I can do now until the test, I reckon, is to do a few of the test routes and some ‘independent driving’ - I’m told the latter will most likely be following satnav directions but with an outside chance of having to use road signs.
 
I got so p155ed off with the sky fairy supporters, conspiracy loonspudery and woo 5h1te on there that I gave up even visiting.
Nothing you say even dents their conviction in their "knowing the TRUTH"
I had to block the domain to stop their "come back to the fold" spam trashing my emails.
I suppose it might be productive to plant a few seeds of doubt / sanity in the minds of people on those loon boards, people on the fringes who aren’t fully paid-up tinfoil merchants but who are just curious and may be less than half-way to loon.

Good luck to anyone who tries, but personally I wouldn’t have the patience... I imagine it’d have to be done by subtle questioning of their alternative theories and politely casting doubt. (My favourite - when arguing with a couple of friends, or ex-friends - is to ask: why would governments worldwide choose to decimate their own economies, if it was simply to ‘control the people, maaan’?)

Just calling tinfoilers simple-minded dangerous idiots (although that’s pretty much what I think of them!) wouldn’t, I’m guessing, have much effect - they’d dismiss you as a ‘shill’, ‘deep state agent’, ‘MSM dupe’ or whatever other annoying in-group private language they use.

This is what I’d found when trolling the Daily Mail forums... trolling, however, is a different matter - I doubt it would cause many on the fringes to see the light and abandon the tinfoil, but it can be fun. 🙃

I’ve even run out of patience for trolling though - I find the whole thing quite depressing tbh. Seeing the hordes repeatedly marching for ‘freedom’ (and some wearing yellow stars) - I never realised how many stupid and selfish people there are. Sad!
 
That's the instructions ive been given, so I can do my 'research' and make an 'informed' decision about the vaccine.
Given by whom and written on what? Is that the inside of a pack of fag papers?!
 
Also, if I wanted to look at actual 'vaccine' info by EXPERTS only, then I wouldn't be heading toward some crank alternative to YouTube. There's actual peer-reviewed literature I could read instead. Yes I know, peer review is not some cast-iron guarantee of veracity, but it does at least mean that someone who at least has a clue took a look at it and saw no glaring errors or obvious methodological problems. The TubeCranks can't even bring themselves to avoid making basic mistakes of fact.
 
I fear my driving instructor may be on the fringes of the ‘truther tendency’. He’s very scrupulous about checking my temperature and giving me hand sanitiser before we start each lesson, but he recently referred to the masks we both wear in the car as ‘muzzles’. During previous lessons he’s mentioned ancient aliens, and told me of a YouTube video clip of Obama giving a speech in Israel - where the camera supposedly shows one of the security staff momentarily shape-shifting into a lizard... later, I looked it up myself and wasn’t convinced 🤪

Is this him?

 
EXPERT ARSEHOLE

Apparently I need to be more open minded and think more critically, rather than just believe what it says in the papers, I should look at alternative sources and websites where people have different ideas

Okay, I looked

Turns out to be some twat called Vernon Coleman conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccination activist, AIDS denialist

Def an EXPERT
If you think about, someone like that probably has a body count attached to his name.
 
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