de Menezes killing: open verdict
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Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I can understand that the armed police were under a lot of pressure. What I can't understand is the series of failings that led to this happening - the crap photo of the real suspect and the failure to stop the suspect before getting on public transport. Then lies and smears in the press afterwards because they knew they fucked up. Someone should take responsibility and at least resign over this.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
another entirely irrelevant link, shock horror.
Why were you trying to blame Menezes for his own killing before pd? Any chance of you answering that, rather than posting up meaningless diversions?
Actually, don't bother. Everyone here knows exactly what you are doing and why. You fool no one
Why were you trying to blame Menezes for his own killing before pd? Any chance of you answering that, rather than posting up meaningless diversions?
Actually, don't bother. Everyone here knows exactly what you are doing and why. You fool no one
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is a situation brought about by fear of police officers mutinying if held to account for their actions as everyone else is supposed to be rather than any sense of justice needing to be done. I don't think it' the establishment covering up for their own as some have claimed - they'd happily cut someone loose or throw them to the wolves if this would clear up the mess, what this is based on is police blackmail
I won't disagree with much of what you have said. I am simply trying to advocate for the individuals who were given mistaken information, went down a tube with no comms and faced and killed someone they thought was going to kill others.
When did I try and blame him. I simply posted what I felt was an inconsistency in the juries two positions.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
They don't dispute that he stood up (because he did), or that Ivor "bear-hugged" him back into his seat (because he did). They do dispute that he moved towards the gun (because he didn't).
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
they thought that, even tho he was wearing a light jacket that couldn't have hidden the explosives claimed? Even tho one of them had him in a bear hug and should have been able to feel he had no explosives?
Trigger happy twats, who are now back on the streets carrying the same guns.
Wonder who'll be next?
Trigger happy twats, who are now back on the streets carrying the same guns.
Wonder who'll be next?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what tosh. now you are lying. you're a bigger mess of contradictions than the coppers
gee, i wonder why anyone would stand up if suddenly confronted by a couple of armed bastards pointing a gun in there face.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
this
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Presumably because six thugs were approaching him.
Why did they say he moved towards them? To make it seem like they had a good reason to believe that he was a suicide bomber with no concern about the gun pointing at him? To make it appear that they had good reason to feel threatened?
Why did they lie? Go on, tell us.
I don't know because I wasn't there and I don't know what the firearms officer percieved. The reason to shoot was that he thought he was a suicide bomber not because he moved towards him.
What I am saying is the jury appeared to believe that the officer IVOR felt the need to put JCDM in a bear hug but absolutely discount any suggestion that there was any movement towards the officer despite the officer saying it was only a few steps.
http://www.stockwellinquest.org.uk/hearing_transcripts/oct_23.pdf
Well this one has been bothering me and have been reading this thread to see if it was addressed.
Given the armed police had entered the carriage and JCDM was sitting next to and opposite the door, it he stood up in their direction surely he would have seemed to move towards - you are talking about a metre here max between JCDM and the police
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
utterly disingenuous.
Why might an officer put someone they thought was carrying a bomb in a bear hug? Why, it can ONLY be because that person was moving towards another officer! Clear rot.
Not if the other officer was the person who would of been responsible for delivering the critical shots to stop him detonating a bomb
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
as Police Defender (Xceptionally Moronic) says himself - the cops claimed Menezes moved forward 'a few steps'. That is quite clear and very distinct from appearing to move forward simply by standing up.
Try it at home!
Well read the witness testimony of the witnesses who gave evidence to the inquest and honestly ask yourself if they can be said to be an entirely accurate and mutually consistent account of what happened, sufficient to assert with certainty that JCDM couldn't have taken one or two steps.
Where exactly. I take it you are now going to have some pedantic argument about the difference between the term few and the words "one or two"
Not according to the transcript - where he always says "advanced" - try standing on a Northern Line tube without moving forward.
What I am having trouble with is why there needed two questions.
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