David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[SpineyNorman]

I don't know why you're unable to understand, xes, that it's possible to believe that we're not ruled by benevolent souls and that it's not some monolithic conspiracy based on blood lines.

There are structures that ensure that the powerful remain powerful and increase their power, and the rich remain rich and increase their wealth, all at the expense of the rest of us. They don't need secret cabals to do this. The economic and political structures present in modern society do it for them.

And when you ignore this, and instead base your simplistic critique on "bad people doing bad things" you give the elites a get out. Because you're saying there's nothing wrong with the system, all we need to do is replace these bad people with goood people. And so, when the shit hits the fan, the elites have a ready made scapegoat - the jews or whatever. They can sacrifice a few of their own in order to maintain the system. And so, we get Nazi Germany. And the rich can go on getting richer, and the poor poorer.

See why, even if it wasn't based on blood lines or jews or whatever, but instead on "bad individuals" it would still be counter-productive bollocks? Because you're implying that we don't need structural change, we just need to re-shuffle the deck chairs.

 

[butchersapron]

yeah,why not. I've got nothing better to do for half hour or so....

On the express understanding that you don't bother researching them or anything else on something so important right?

David Harvey, Doug Henwood, Costas lapavitsas, Guglielmo Carchedi, Gionvanni Arrighi, Bill Thompson.

 

[butchersapron]

Bring back faux pas!

 

[SpineyNorman]

The banking system is run by scummers who want to lord it up while people suffer.

Let's test your hypothesis, see if I get called antisemitic now xes.

 

[butchersapron]

ahh..but you're not xes.

 

[xes]

I don't know why you're unable to understand, xes, that it's possible to believe that we're not ruled by benevolent souls and that it's not some monolithic conspiracy based on blood lines.

There are structures that ensure that the powerful remain powerful and increase their power, and the rich remain rich and increase their wealth, all at the expense of the rest of us. They don't need secret cabals to do this. The economic and political structures present in modern society do it for them.

And when you ignore this, and instead base your simplistic critique on "bad people doing bad things" you give the elites a get out. Because you're saying there's nothing wrong with the system, all we need to do is replace these bad people with goood people. And so, when the shit hits the fan, the elites have a ready made scapegoat - the jews or whatever. They can sacrifice a few of their own in order to maintain the system. And so, we get Nazi Germany. And the rich can go on getting richer, and the poor poorer.

See why, even if it wasn't based on blood lines or jews or whatever, but instead on "bad individuals" it would still be counter-productive bollocks? Because you're implying that we don't need structural change, we just need to re-shuffle the deck chairs.

Now who's being willfully missentupreted? I pretty much agre with what you've stated there, and have been trying to get that point over. But not one person on here can understand this, as all they see when someone talks about conspiracies, is "you hate JEWZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" and that's just what I'm being accused of right now. But that's fine, people can think what they like about me, I couldn't give a fuck.

 

[two sheds]

Of course I do, but that's not what I'm saying. Yes, some do, and they're arseholes for it. But this is what I mean, you're not allowed to even suggest that banking system is run by scummers who want to lord it up whilst people suffer, becasue someone's going to inject their own prejudices into it, and accuse me of being an anti semite. Thank you for highlighting this.

No, what is being objected to here is the statement that there is a Jewish banking conspiracy. You're defending this and unfortunately now using the standard racist response 'nobody can use the word Jewish (or black or whatever) without being called a racist.

All you have to do is instead just talk about a banking conspiracy and people will agree with you. It's a banking conspiracy to make profit, or capitalism as Blagsta pointed out.

You're just doing an impression of a mardy child in a playground at the moment.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Now who's being willfully missentupreted? I pretty much agre with what you've stated there, and have been trying to get that point over. But not one person on here can understand this, as all they see when someone talks about conspiracies, is "you hate JEWZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" and that's just what I'm being accused of right now. But that's fine, people can think what they like about me, I couldn't give a fuck.

Well if that's the case then you're not talking about conspiracies, you're talking about capitalism. You fucking clown

 

[xes]

The banking system is run by scummers who want to lord it up while people suffer.

Let's test your hypothesis, see if I get called antisemitic now xes.

you anti semite cunt

 

[TruXta]

Where the cockness did faucks pas go?

 

[belboid]

would you like to climb in my head and say what I mean then?

climb inside your heqad? No need for mind-reading, when (in case this has passed you by) you've been posting your nonsensical opinion on the internet for anyone to read.

Would it be ok to say, that you do not like the way that banking families run things?

Banking families. You have a belief that there is a cabal of banking families (who you cant name. That is, are incapable of, not that they are in someway Voldemortian). They conspire to rule the world. You have asserted that by simply taking out the 'jewishness' of those families, it all suddenly becomes non-racist, and makes perfect sense (despite the umpteen arguments put to, and ignored by, you showing how actually, both of those statements cant be true). That is a much more specific set of ideas than the bland 'bankers are scummers,' as you well know. That does not require any reading of, or belief in, the drivel put forward by Icke et al.

From the fact that you are so clearly backing away from your original argument, at least you appear to be recognising that it was complete shite.

 

[SpineyNorman]

you anti semite cunt

Apart from by you, the person who wants me to be accused of antisemitism in order to prove he's being oppressed by other posters maaan

 

[xes]

No, what is being objected to here is the statement that there is a Jewish banking conspiracy. You're defending this and unfortunately now using the standard racist response 'nobody can use the word Jewish (or black or whatever) without being called a racist.

All you have to do is instead just talk about a banking conspiracy and people will agree with you. It's a banking conspiracy to make profit, or capitalism as Blagsta pointed out.

You're just doing an impression of a mardy child in a playground at the moment.

But this is just what I have been trying to say. I have been trying to say that there is a banking conspiracy, I have been trying to say that it matters not a fuck, what religions the people are, and that there is a banking conspiracy. I have tried to say that you're not even allowed to mention a banking conspiracy, becasue when you do, the uppities accuse you of being anti semitic. Just look.

 

[xes]

Apart from by you, the person who wants me to be accused of antisemitism in order to prove he's being oppressed by other posters maaan

well, they're hardly going to say it to you, as you're not "a mental"

 

[xes]

Well if that's the case then you're not talking about conspiracies, you're talking about capitalism. You fucking clown

and there are no conspiracies in capitalism? The world is just peachy. That's ok then *phew*

 

[butchersapron]

I have tried to say that you're not even allowed to mention a banking conspiracy, becasue when you do, the uppities accuse you of being anti semitic. Just look.

And you're not even allowed to say that. Despite you saying it and not being accused of being anti-semitic.

Not even allowed to say that you're not allowed to say that you're not allowed to say certain things - what have we come to?

 

[xes]

titpants

 

[butchersapron]

despite you accusing me of it on the last page or so?

Oh yeah. I reckon you better rustle up that accusation then.

 

[xes]

I adited that post, as I was going to do that, but I had got your post wrong. (the one where you said "yes you are, stop sulking" I took that as you saying "yes you are anti semitic" my appologies.

 

[xes]

On the express understanding that you don't bother researching them or anything else on something so important right?

David Harvey, Doug Henwood, Costas lapavitsas, Guglielmo Carchedi, Gionvanni Arrighi, Bill Thompson.

I missed that too, thak you

 

[butchersapron]

I adited that post, as I was going to do that, but I had got your post wrong. (the one where you said "yes you are, stop sulking" I took that as you saying "yes you are anti semitic" my appologies.

That's alright. Don't worry about it.

 

[Wilf]

Now who's being willfully missentupreted? I pretty much agre with what you've stated there, and have been trying to get that point over. But not one person on here can understand this, as all they see when someone talks about conspiracies, is "you hate JEWZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" and that's just what I'm being accused of right now. But that's fine, people can think what they like about me, I couldn't give a fuck.

But if you do take a structural view on power and inequalities and reject any kind of anti-semitism, why don't you put the maximum possible distance between yourself and Icke/conspiraloonery? I don't think all conspiracy theorists are anti-semitic, but it's a very wierd place to plant your flag if you want to genuinely oppose a racialised (and/or bloodline) dominated view of world history.

 

[Idris2002]

I dunno, I think the Onarchy thread was more fun.

 

[Lucy Fur]

So just to clarify, is the moon a hologram then?

 

[faux pas]

But this is just what I have been trying to say. I have been trying to say that there is a banking conspiracy, I have been trying to say that it matters not a fuck, what religions the people are, and that there is a banking conspiracy. I have tried to say that you're not even allowed to mention a banking conspiracy, becasue when you do, the uppities accuse you of being anti semitic. Just look.

Don't worry xes. It's lovely how they all cowardly group together and hound you, isn't it, lol.

I would imagine most people wouldn't refer to Icke as anti-semitic or racist, or would understand his beef with 'Rothchild Zionism' as anti-semitic. The hardcore leftests perhaps, but then they've never really been in touch, have they?

 

[Idris2002]

If holograms can be made of green cheese, yes.

 

[butchersapron]

So, how do you think your intervention worked out faux pas?

 

[faux pas]

So, how do you think your intervention worked out faux pas?

perfectly!

 

[butchersapron]

Don't worry xes. It's lovely how they all cowardly group together and hound you, isn't it, lol.

I would imagine most people wouldn't refer to Icke as anti-semitic or racist, or would understand his beef with 'Rothchild Zionism' as anti-semitic. The hardcore leftests perhaps, but then they've never really been in touch, have they?

I know how 'most people' would refer to Icke - as that nutter and loon who used to be on the telly but went mad.

 

[butchersapron]

perfectly!

In complete ridicule for you, exposure of how daft you are, suspicions that you're a dodgy anti-semitic fuck, and a classic xes sulk? Truly you am the masters of the universe.