David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[xes]

So there's only two possible views? Bloodlines and conspiracies or Care Bear Land?

in your world, maybe.

 

[butchersapron]

You imagine Icke might think of Jewish people as "alright"?

Some of 'em, the ones who are true to their nature despite their undoubted guilt.

 

[xes]

...and no, i don't mean anti-semtism can be taken out of conspiracies.

Why? Why is someone who is into conspiracies, immediatly an anti semite?

 

[Blagsta]

in your world, maybe.

It's what you just said though.

 

[butchersapron]

who runs the banking system, if not the families who run the banks?

Lets assume families exclusively run globally important banks. Do they have some sort of...system?

 

[frogwoman]

that isn't what he said.

it's because the anti-semitism is structural.

 

[Blagsta]

Some of 'em, the ones who are true to their nature despite their undoubted guilt.

Like them dancing Negroes. Terrible swimmers though.

 

[xes]

Which families run which banks?

*shrugs* I do not know. I'm presuming the families who own banks, also run the banks which they own. Would this be a silly supposition to make?

 

[butchersapron]

Why? Why is someone who is into conspiracies, immediatly an anti semite?

I didn't say that they are. Have another read of your post that i replied to. Not filling me with confidence here.

 

[Blagsta]

*shrugs* I do not know. I'm presuming the families who own banks, also run the banks which they own. Would this be a silly supposition to make?

You don't know. This is the crux really isn't it. You don't have a clue what you're on about.

 

[butchersapron]

*shrugs* I do not know. I'm presuming the families who own banks, also run the banks which they own. Would this be a silly supposition to make?

Faux pah - is that you?

 

[xes]

that isn't what he said.

it's because the anti-semitism is structural.

In which case I missunderstood the post. But to be honest, I'm still not entirely sure I'm getting what you're trying to say.

 

[belboid]

*shrugs* I do not know. I'm presuming the families who own banks, also run the banks which they own. Would this be a silly supposition to make?

congrats on the most stupid post even on this utterly batshit thread!

 

[Spud Murfy]

You imagine Icke might think of Jewish people as "alright"?

How on earth did you reach that conclusion?

Please read the sentence again:

It was said in an innocent way, not the 'they're clever alright' kind of way, which I imagine is how Icke might think of Jewish people.

I know you're from the Midlands originally, and perhaps the use of 'alright' after a description of someone is peculiar to London and its diaspora, but people would say something like he's clever alright to mean that this person wasn't so much intelligent as cunning, crafty, good at looking after number one.

 

[frogwoman]

In which case I missunderstood the post. But to be honest, I'm still not entirely sure I'm getting what you're trying to say.

you can't take anti-semitism out of conspiracy theories like the ones you're on about because it's inherent within the very idea of a small group of people acting as fifth columnists within the world banking system and the bloodlines etc etc.

 

[Blagsta]

How on earth did you reach that conclusion?

Please read the sentence again:

I know you're from the Midlands originally, and perhaps the use of 'alright' after a description of someone is peculiar to London and its diaspora, but people would say something like he's clever alright to mean that this person wasn't so much intelligent as cunning, crafty, good at looking after number one.

OK, my bad. You think that Icke's statements about the Jews are made innocently? Is that it?

I'm not from the Midlands originally btw, you must be thinking of someone else.

 

[frogwoman]

i don't think that's what he was saying ...

 

[Blagsta]

i don't think that's what he was saying ...

I'm not sure what he's saying tbh.

 

[xes]

you can't take anti-semitism out of conspiracy theories like the ones you're on about because it's inherent within the very idea of a small group of people acting as fifth columnists within the world banking system and the bloodlines etc etc.

So how can we move past that? If saying that some conspiracies may be true (with reguards to banking families ect), in the way in which the world is run, means that you're anti semite, then how can we discuss it otherwise?

 

[stethoscope]

So how can we move past that? If saying that some conspiracies may be true (with reguards to banking families ect), in the way in which the world is run, means that you're anti semite, then how can we discuss it otherwise?

Well you fuck off the conspiracy theories and theorists and instead refer to sound evidence and history of how capital and class works.

 

[Spud Murfy]

OK, my bad. You think that Icke's statements about the Jews are made innocently? Is that it?

Here is the same sentence again:

It was said in an innocent way, not the 'they're clever alright' kind of way, which I imagine is how Icke might think of Jewish people.

Note the 'not' after 'innocent way' and before 'they're clever alright' kind of way. My meaning is that Icke seems to be a follower of the hostile 'they're clever alright' meaning, but I can see by the positioning of the commas that you may have been led to think otherwise.

 

[Roadkill]

Well you fuck off the conspiracy theories and theorists and instead refer to sound evidence and history of how capital and class works.

Yeah, but that's not as exciting as a good conspiracy theory, is it?!

*e2a* It doesn't satisfy some people's need to feel they know more than everyone else, either.

 

[DarthSydodyas]

*shrugs* I do not know. I'm presuming the families who own banks, also run the banks which they own. Would this be a silly supposition to make?

you're meant to say Rothchilds.

 

[Blagsta]

Here is the same sentence again:

Note the 'not' after 'innocent way' and before 'they're clever alright' kind of way. My meaning is that Icke seems to be a follower of the hostile 'they're clever alright' meaning, but I can see by the positioning of the commas that you may have been led to think otherwise.

Ahhhh, OK.

 

[belboid]

So how can we move past that? If saying that some conspiracies may be true (with reguards to banking families ect), in the way in which the world is run, means that you're anti semite, then how can we discuss it otherwise?

Why shoulds we 'move past' that? If you dont understand how the bankers being jewish is absolutely central to the whole conspiracy, then you haven't understood anything about the theories at all - beyond 'bankers are bad, m'kaay.' It is by being jewish that they became bankers, through which they started the bloodlines, from which everything sprung.

If you want to come up with a banker led conspiracy theory that has absolutely nothing to do with judaism, then you go ahead and do it. But you can't just take the jewish bits out of a racists arguments and say, 'well its all alright now.' YOU show us how the so-called banking families have secretly controlled the world for centuries.

 

[Blagsta]

So how can we move past that? If saying that some conspiracies may be true (with reguards to banking families ect), in the way in which the world is run, means that you're anti semite, then how can we discuss it otherwise?

What banking families and what banks?

Oh yeah, you don't know.

 

[xes]

Well you fuck off the conspiracy theories and theorists and instead refer to sound evidence and history of how capital and class works.

And what if, once you've done that, you can see that there is some sort of conspiring going on, to make the poor suffer and the rich richer? Does that mean that there is no conpiracy? Not that I have done this, but the world makes alot more sense to me, if there are bad people running the world, who do not have my best interest at heart. That IMO is a conspiracy.

 

[butchersapron]

And what if, once you've done that, you can see that there is some sort of conspiring going on, to make the poor suffer and the rich richer? Does that mean that there is no conpiracy? Not that I have done this, but the world makes alot more sense to me, if there are bad people running the world, who do not have my best interest at heart. That IMO is a conspiracy.

Have you done that? Do it.

 

[xes]

you're meant to say Rothchilds.

no, you're not allowed to mention Jewish people and banks though, that means you hate ALL Jewish people

 

[stethoscope]

And what if, once you've done that, you can see that there is some sort of conspiring going on, to make the poor suffer and the rich richer? Does that mean that there is no conpiracy? Not that I have done this, but the world makes alot more sense to me, if there are bad people running the world, who do not have my best interest at heart. That IMO is a conspiracy.

I don't know what you want me to say Xes - you say you are against capitalism, poor getting poorer/rich getting richer, yet then appear to be totally discounting the economic and social history and mechanisms that create it in favour of 'well what if'.

Why/what are you trying to convince yourself of?