countryside riot in london!

[TeeJay]

So why try and provoke one you stupid fucking plastic hippy?

Why are you calling me a "hippy"? Maybe we should take this to PMs. I doubt anyone is really interested in your ranting about me are they? All you are doing is further derailing this thread - lets take it to PMs shall we?

 

[General Ludd]

You do realise that cpome Wednesday iot will be hare coursing (sp?) that is immediately outlawed whereas fox hunting will probably get a twoi year reprieve. Additionally, the change in the law will outlaw "hunting with dogs", which effects all kinds of horseback or on-foot hunting with dogs, and not just fox hunting. It won't stop people riding horses to chase foxes if the foxes are then shot - or will it? Will people out shooting foxes be able to take a dog as long as the dog doesn't chase the fox? Will dogs be allowed to be used for flushing out foxes from cover as long as they are not allowed to attack the foxe and the fox is shot instead?

Who is actually going to police all these rules anyway? Are policement going to have to go along watching all the dogs, horses and people with guns to make sure there are no legal violations?

So what you're saying is that you don't really have a clue.

 

[General Ludd]

I doubt anyone is really interested in your ranting about me are they?

I doubt anyone is really interested in you.

 

[butchersapron]

Am I on trial or something!? They claimed they weren't political at the time but it turned out that one of their "leaders" became a Tory candidate somewhere so I that gives a clear idea of what the top level of that lobby group is all about.

No, it proves what one person connected with them did - it doesn't even begin to touch on the content of their protests.

 

[redsquirrel]

Am I on trial or something!? They claimed they weren't political at the time but it turned out that one of their "leaders" became a Tory candidate somewhere so I that gives a clear idea of what the top level of that lobby group is all about.

But the fuel potests involved a lot a people (and had some sympathy from a lot more).
I'm sorry but I don't see how you can say F4J isn't political (as the Tories have been more than willing to use their type on language and climb on their bandwagon) and the fuel protests are.

 

[oisleep]

Armed guards now placed around commons chambers!

 

[TeeJay]

Might be tricky but a load of beaters and shooters will kill more foxes in an afternoon than most hunts will in a month.

But beaters and shooters will usually have a few dogs running around with them won't they? Will these now be outlawed?

 

[butchersapron]

Why are you calling me a "hippy"? Maybe we should take this to PMs. I doubt anyone is really interested in your ranting about me are they? All you are doing is further derailing this thread - lets take it to PMs shall we?

I'll read no Pms by you - they'll be deleted. Don't try and start a fight and then blame someone else - we've all seen what your trick is here.

 

[General Ludd]

But beaters and shooters will usually have a few dogs running around with them won't they? Will these now be outlawed?

No. Go and read the proposed legislation.

 

[butchersapron]

But beaters and shooters will usually have a few dogs running around with them won't they? Will these now be outlawed?

Possibly - but so what? What's the point?

edit: answered above.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

But the fuel potests involved a lot a people (and had some sympathy from a lot more).
I'm sorry but I don't see how you can say F4J isn't political (as the Tories have been more than willing to use their type on language and climb on their bandwagon) and the fuel protests are.

I didnt say that F4J isn't political. I just questioned why you thought it was rightwing (you've still not given a reason for your thinking on that).

 

[laptop]

And the fuel protester are?

Infiltrated by the Association of British Drivers, alleged to be yet another RCP/Living Marxism front, among other things...

 

[redsquirrel]

I didnt say that F4J isn't political. I just questioned why you thought it was rightwing (you've still not given a reason for your thinking on that).

Eh I think your getting me confused with someone else?

 

[fishfingerer]

The toffs are going to go completely mental if the vote doesn't go their way by the looks of things.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Eh I think your getting me confused with someone else?

Oh right apols, anyway it still stands I never said it aint political!

 

[redsquirrel]

Infiltrated by the Association of British Drivers, alleged to be yet another RCP/Living Marxism front, among other things...

Maybe, but there were a number of different groups involved and this doesn't touch on the sympathy they had with the general public.

 

[butchersapron]

An laptop wind up i reck:

but this is true

"With the asset stripping destruction of a lot of factory-based production, aided and abetted by financial concerns in a triumphalist City of London, side by side with the tendency towards hollowed-out companies in building, engineering and what have you and who no longer had many permanent workers on their pay roll, many laid-off workers were FORCED (more or less) to become self-employed; to acquire the services of an accountant, to buy their own fixed capital (trucks, small workshop and what have you). Well, it was either that or welfare and the prospect of constant harassment and punishment disguised as ridiculous pseuso-job training or slightly more lenient forms of workfare than experienced in America. It was basically Hobson's Choice. This mini-mass of intentionally pseudo-individualised people became a veritable army of »reluctant entrepreneurs« as we began to call them. It marked the petite-bourgeoisification of the proletariat. Or so it seemed..."

http://www.wildcat-www.de/en/zirkular/58/z58e_uko.htm

 

[laptop]

And the vote is (for what it's worth)

For second reading (of the NuLab fudge): 356
Against: 166

(Why do they shut off the sound during votes? Is it so we can't hear Honourable Members proclaiming "that was a load of wank, then - I've read better debates on urban75"?)

 

[treelover]

Some of the blood lust against what clearly are working class people defending(thier admittedly disgusting livelelhoods) just like the miners, is rather disturbing. It seems to be most vociferous from our more middle class posters, a link?

btw, latest, seven protesters have been detained in custody

 

[Lock&Light]

For second reading (of the NuLab fudge): 356
Against: 166

(Why do they shut off the sound during votes? Is it so we can't hear Honourable Members proclaiming "that was a load of wank, then - I've read better debates on urban75"?)

I believe that only the actual proceedings of the House can be broadcast. During a vote the sitting is adjourned. I think.

 

[General Ludd]

I wonder why none of these people were acting this way when 1000 of workers from farms were laid off, wouldn’t it be ironic if history read:

I know one person there who was laid off from a farm and who's working as a lorry driver now.

 

[laptop]

An laptop wind up i reck:

Not meant as wind-up, was doing three other things at the same time.

Just fishing for more information on one alleged aspect of the fuel protests - didn't think it needed labelled "not a political analysis", which it wasn't. Honestly, I haven't the foggiest about that...

 

[butchersapron]

I know one person there who was laid off from a farm and who's working as a lorry driver now.

Now we're talking...it's easy to do the toffs get beaten up stuff, and i've no problemn with any of it - but we need to afterwards look at this sort of stuff...(not tonight, let's just laugh at the tanktops).

 

[General Ludd]

Now we're talking...it's easy to do the toffs get beaten up stuff, and i've no problemn with any of it - but we need to afterwards look at this sort of stuff...(not tonight, let's just laugh at the tanktops).

Ah, I'll stop being po faced and join in the fun then.

Toffs get angry.

 

[laptop]

An MP has just noted that the parliamentary sketch writer of the Daily Mail recommended that the homes and offices of anti-hunt MPs be attacked.

(MPs are talking about themselves, they're happy...)

 

[butchersapron]

You mean, why hasn't 7 years been wasted on alleviating poverty?

 

[WasGeri]

Having spent the last half an hour think about fox hunting I can say that the what makes me most cross about this whole balls up is that so much of our Oh so valuable MPs times seems to have been spent on this “very strange issue”, why is that?

Because people care about it, you fucking idiot! Why do you think MPs get bags and bags of mail on the issue?

 

[Smølfine]

I know one person there who was laid off from a farm and who's working as a lorry driver now.

*dousafavour*

and I can guarantee he is better paid on the lorrys than working on a farm for sure.

 

[laptop]

Because people care about it, you fucking idiot!

True.

Also, it's a simacrulum of class politics. Removes the appearance of being the NuToffs' party, as the shampoo ad would have it.

 

[butchersapron]

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My fault