countryside riot in london!

[Kid_Eternity]

It'll be interesting to see if the protestors who breached the chamber got jobs as construction workers or they got passes from pro-hunting Tory toff MPs. But the protestors have certainly managed to divert the news and the debate.

Good point, I'm interested to see whether they will get the kind of condemnation that the Fathers4Justice get…

 

[scawenb]

New Right Wing activism

It started with the fuel protests, then there was UKIP and now we have Father4Justice and the Fox Hunt riot, there was even the Daily Mail weilding middle classes on the Anti-War Demo. Are they all linked?
Perhaps more interestingly why is the Left doing so badly in comparison/ It is not as if we haven't got far more important issues than petrol prices, the EU, parental settlements and country pursuits.

 

[redsquirrel]

I thought this thread was about having a laugh. Pretty hard to derail it then? Having said that I have raised some serious questions both about fox hunting and the right to peaceful protest, both of which you have ignored, possibly becuase you have noithing coherent to say about either. Feel free to engage your brain and think of someting clever to say, but I have to say I am not holding my breath.

And as I already pointed out there's already a thread in general precisely about those issues, this thread was a generally humerous one about the CA clashing with the police.

 

[Streathamite]

Excactly!

But the countryside has still been fucked over by a 'metropolitan' govt, wether the CA were protesting about it or not.

to be precise - it has been fucked over by a process started under the last Conservative govts, and continued under the present one, and - more germanely - by capitalism

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's really not, mate.

Fair enough. Oh yeah please lets all not let this spiral into a war against TJ, his views aint that intolerable compared to some on here (ie Urban75)...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It started with the fuel protests, then there was UKIP and now we have Father4Justice and the Fox Hunt riot, there was even the Daily Mail weilding middle classes on the Anti-War Demo. Are they all linked?
Perhaps more interestingly why is the Left doing so badly in comparison/ It is not as if we haven't got far more important issues than petrol prices, the EU, parental settlements and country pursuits.

Why do you lump F4J in with that lot? Aint custody of your kids important for people generally?

 

[General Ludd]

to be precise - it has been fucked over by a process started under the last Conservative govts, and continued under the present one, and - more germanely - by capitalism

Been fucked over much longer than that - just look at the Captain Swing riots.

 

[TeeJay]

You sorted out your homegrown already, TeeJay!?

Sadly no. You offering?

 

[General Ludd]

Why do you lumpy F4J in with that lot? Aint custody of your kids important for people generally?

Isn't fuel price important for most people?

 

[STFC]

Perhaps more interestingly why is the Left doing so badly in comparison

Maybe it's because the Left is way out of touch with ordinary people. Hardly surprising when they use slogans like "Victory to the intifada".

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Isn't fuel price important for most people?

Perhaps but I still don't see that wanting custody of your children is some kind of rightwing thing!

 

[TeeJay]

And as I already pointed out there's already a thread in general precisely about those issues, this thread was a generally humerous one about the CA clashing with the police.

But general is sooooo bourgeois.

 

[oisleep]

Was the sword that one of the security guards had just ceremonial?

It looked liked it caused more of a hinderance when he was running to try to catch his man, they don't have fanny around in the commons with all that kinda stuff, pointless

 

[General Ludd]

Perhaps but I still don't see that wanting custody of your children is some kind of rightwing thing!

Nor do I but then I also don't see why opposing taxation should also be limited to right wing politics. The SWP constantly switch between the state being the enemy and then calling for the state to tax people even more.

 

[Streathamite]

So are you saying that hunting on foot with dogs is working class (and hence OK) and hunting on horseback with dogs is upper class (and hence evil)?

err no, you can't seperate the two. the people on dogs assist the ones on horseback. Toff's lackeys, as it were

As someone who seems to know about the countryside, how would you control foxes? Poison? Shooting them? Giving them contraceptive injections?

it's difficult - and trying to shoot a low-backed fast-moving animal in long grasses on a windy day is no joke...but I'd prolly try a judicious mix of 'em all.
Hunting genuinely turns my stomach

 

[TeeJay]

Fair enough. Oh yeah please lets all not let this spiral into a war against TJ, his views aint that intolerable compared to some on here (ie Urban75)...

You know, you have to wonder why anyone would even think it worthwhile in trying to launch a "war" against me anyway? I mean - what's the point, and more importantly - why bother?

 

[scawenb]

Why do you lump F4J in with that lot? Aint custody of your kids important for people generally?

No - most people don't have young children and even less have custody battles over them. Are you arguing that Fathers4Justice is a Left-Wing led movement?

Also I notice that nice Mr Batman is so very concerned about his first lot of off-spring that his present girl friend has left him for neglecting the most recent one he's produced.

 

[Isambard]

He still is. But I'm back in Herefordshire at the moment so am again angry with how the left in the uk completely fails to understand the rural working class or have a fucking clue about live outside cities. (not that they have much of a clue about any section of the working class - white blokes with shaved heads, must be fash. and so on)

Bollocks. I grew up in a fairly rural area. My old Labour Party branch was heavily involved in formulating the party’s policies on rural areas back in the day before “focus groups”.

My parents still live in a rural area and I’m a registered voter there.
Apparently our council ward is one of the most deprived in the West of England (not 100% sure if they are right on that) but certainly the statistics show we have low educational achievement, low incomes, low housing standards etc etc etc

So I’m quite well aware some of the issues thanks: We’re just going through a round of bus cuts of thinned out routes and axeing of the service after 1800. Local pub just been pulled down to make luxury flats, doctors surgery having to move out of the village so he can “compete”. Emergency 999 cover VERY thin over a massive rural area, blokes I know hoping to get the odd day of work this week cos so much of the job market is casualised. Everyone who can leave the area doing so, a street of boarded up shops that not even the charity shop people can make a go of!

And the Countryside Alliance did WHAT exactly?

I’m white and have a shaved head. Managed not to get called a fascist off any U75ers yet!

 

[fishfingerer]

this thread was a generally humerous one...

Except for the bits about the wellies obviously. Nothing humourous about toffs plotting to literally dissolve a Labour controlled parliament.

 

[General Ludd]

And the Countryside Alliance did WHAT exactly?

What the fuck are you going on about? Where have I ever claimed that the CA has done anything progressive and useful. Saying that it has acted as a medium for those grievances to be expressed doesn't mean I support it or think it's progressive in any way.

 

[butchersapron]

You know, you have to wonder why anyone would even think it worthwhile in trying to launch a "war" against me anyway? I mean - what's the point, and more importantly - why bother?

So why try and provoke one you stupid fucking plastic hippy?

And why are the fuel protests included in this right wing back-lash - have you people had your eyes shut since the 1980s or something?

http://www.wildcat-www.de/en/zirkular/58/z58e_uko.htm

 

[Kid_Eternity]

No - most people don't have young children and even less have custody battles over them. Are you arguing that Fathers4Justice is a Left-Wing led movement?

Also I notice that nice Mr Batman is so very concerned about his first lot of off-spring that his present girl friend has left him for neglecting the most recent one he's produced.

I dont really view them politically in that sense so they are neither left nor right.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

You know, you have to wonder why anyone would even think it worthwhile in trying to launch a "war" against me anyway? I mean - what's the point, and more importantly - why bother?

I do wonder but then Urban is a odd place sometimes...

 

[redsquirrel]

I dont really view them politically in that sense so they are neither left nor right.

And the fuel protester are?

 

[TeeJay]

err no, you can't seperate the two. the people on dogs assist the ones on horseback. Toff's lackeys, as it were

You do realise that cpome Wednesday iot will be hare coursing (sp?) that is immediately outlawed whereas fox hunting will probably get a twoi year reprieve. Additionally, the change in the law will outlaw "hunting with dogs", which effects all kinds of horseback or on-foot hunting with dogs, and not just fox hunting. It won't stop people riding horses to chase foxes if the foxes are then shot - or will it? Will people out shooting foxes be able to take a dog as long as the dog doesn't chase the fox? Will dogs be allowed to be used for flushing out foxes from cover as long as they are not allowed to attack the foxe and the fox is shot instead?

Who is actually going to police all these rules anyway? Are policement going to have to go along watching all the dogs, horses and people with guns to make sure there are no legal violations?

it's difficult - and trying to shoot a low-backed fast-moving animal in long grasses on a windy day is no joke...but I'd prolly try a judicious mix of 'em all.
Hunting genuinely turns my stomach

If it is difficult to shoot foxes then maybe it is more humane to let the dogs kill them, rather than risk winging them and letting them lie slowly in their holes?

Hunting or any kind of killing turns my stomache as well - but it doesn't stop me eating meat. I would favour whatever methos is best for the balance of bioversity and ecology of the countryside, and I would appoint countryside rangers to 'oversee' all wildlife management - including all hunting and shooting - so that farmers and others would have to remain within the agreed techniques and amounts of hunting.

 

[nino_savatte]

Middle England is revolting, it's official!

 

[Yossarian]

Forget about the foxes, what's so bad about a bit of class war?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

And the fuel protester are?

Am I on trial or something!? They claimed they weren't political at the time but it turned out that one of their "leaders" became a Tory candidate somewhere so I that gives a clear idea of what the top level of that lobby group is all about.

 

[General Ludd]

it's difficult - and trying to shoot a low-backed fast-moving animal in long grasses on a windy day is no joke...but I'd prolly try a judicious mix of 'em all.

Might be tricky but a load of beaters and shooters will kill more foxes in an afternoon than most hunts will in a month.

 

[butchersapron]

None of which, teej, amounts to saying anything beyond "i would appoint a huntiung tsar to sort it all out" - bye. No mention of how you're going to deal with a damn thing.