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elbows
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Normally I would say most people will never know for sure, and governments wont bother. However if this thing pans out in a way that is far from normal, then all bets are off for me on this one. It would indeed be useful under such conditions for governments etc to be able to find a pool of people who had already been infected and recovered, and make use of them at the point of maximum strain on systems etc. But thats still a large undertaking that requires a significant testing capacity, and even if it could be done I dont know whether it would be deemed worthwhile due to questions about how good immunity is and how long it lasts.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I am reading the report on the WHO mission to China from 16-24 Feb:
The good
At the individual level, the Chinese people have reacted to this outbreak with courage
and conviction. They have accepted and adhered to the starkest of containment
measures – whether the suspension of public gatherings, the month-long ‘stay at home’
advisories or prohibitions on travel. Throughout an intensive 9-days of site visits across
China, in frank discussions from the level of local community mobilizers and frontline
health care providers to top scientists, Governors and Mayors, the Joint Mission was
struck by the sincerity and dedication that each brings to this COVID-19 response.
The bad
While the scale and impact of China’s COVID-19 operation has been remarkable, it has
also highlighted areas for improvement in public health emergency response capacity.
These include overcoming any obstacles to act immediately on early alerts, to massively
scale-up capacity for isolation and care, to optimize the protection of frontline health
care workers in all settings, to enhance collaborative action on priority gaps in
knowledge and tools, and to more clearly communicate key data and developments
internationally
Take away point for rest of the world:
Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to
implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.
These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize
transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely
proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and
immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an
exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these
measures.
The good
At the individual level, the Chinese people have reacted to this outbreak with courage
and conviction. They have accepted and adhered to the starkest of containment
measures – whether the suspension of public gatherings, the month-long ‘stay at home’
advisories or prohibitions on travel. Throughout an intensive 9-days of site visits across
China, in frank discussions from the level of local community mobilizers and frontline
health care providers to top scientists, Governors and Mayors, the Joint Mission was
struck by the sincerity and dedication that each brings to this COVID-19 response.
The bad
While the scale and impact of China’s COVID-19 operation has been remarkable, it has
also highlighted areas for improvement in public health emergency response capacity.
These include overcoming any obstacles to act immediately on early alerts, to massively
scale-up capacity for isolation and care, to optimize the protection of frontline health
care workers in all settings, to enhance collaborative action on priority gaps in
knowledge and tools, and to more clearly communicate key data and developments
internationally
Take away point for rest of the world:
Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to
implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.
These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize
transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely
proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and
immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an
exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these
measures.
2hats
Dust.
Underlining some of the points raised upthread. Modelling would suggest thousands of incidences of infection in Italy right now and tens of thousands in Iran - community epidemics. So the aim is really to flatten out the peak(s) so healthcare and societal structures can better cope. Moving from containment to isolation - contact reduction, social distancing.
Interesting article highlighting the importance of nailing down the original source of this virus.
www.globaltimes.cn
COVID-19 'may not originate in China’ - Global Times
ice-is-forming
With dignified ease and grace..
I don't like ScoMo, our Australian PM. But I have to say that I'm happy he's jumped the gun ahead of WHO and raised the level to pandemic. We actually only have 23 confirmed cases to date, but preparing for more is imo the key. Get people used to the hand washing, the self quarantine, the working from home etc.. before it's needed and it'll be inbedded into the national psyche ahead of time. Create awareness.
Today I was able to have a good chat with with my immunocompromised son about the coronavirus. He's been blase but is now getting a bit more practical. He says that he won't go to work ( BJJ) if it increases, that he'll get hand wash and use it more, and he let me buy him and his partner two N95 masks and eye wear to protect them.
Australia is heading into winter and our flu season, ive been tasked at work with preparing our policies regarding this ( cos I have experience in disaster management) Cleanliness ( we work with vulnerable people) getting people to understand when they need to stop coming into the office ( clients and workers alike) hand/ phone sanitizer. In house flu and pneumonia vaccines for free. Plus procedure for working from home should the need arise.
I'm annoyed that people are not getting that this is something different, but I recognise that's because I have skin in the game because of my son. Still makes me angry though
Today I was able to have a good chat with with my immunocompromised son about the coronavirus. He's been blase but is now getting a bit more practical. He says that he won't go to work ( BJJ) if it increases, that he'll get hand wash and use it more, and he let me buy him and his partner two N95 masks and eye wear to protect them.
Australia is heading into winter and our flu season, ive been tasked at work with preparing our policies regarding this ( cos I have experience in disaster management) Cleanliness ( we work with vulnerable people) getting people to understand when they need to stop coming into the office ( clients and workers alike) hand/ phone sanitizer. In house flu and pneumonia vaccines for free. Plus procedure for working from home should the need arise.
I'm annoyed that people are not getting that this is something different, but I recognise that's because I have skin in the game because of my son. Still makes me angry though
ska invita
back on the other side
Interesting bit in that 'the statistical picture of deaths we have today is where the virus was at 20 days ago'
2hats
Dust.
This was discussed, or at least mentioned, upthread, I believe.
You'll be quoting pravda next
elbows
Well-Known Member
WHO-China join mission report (Bruce Aylward) is out. I havent read it yet,
You'll be quoting pravda next
Yeah, could well be China looking to shift blame.
Now in Wales and 2 more cases in England.
apple.news
Welsh case linked to return travel from Italy.
Coronavirus: 'Crucial' to trace origin of latest UK case to keep outbreak under control — Sky News
It is "crucial" to find out how the first person who caught the coronavirus within the UK was exposed to it, say experts, as authorities race to piece together their movements.
Welsh case linked to return travel from Italy.
Supine
Newt Member
Interesting article highlighting the importance of nailing down the original source of this virus.
COVID-19 'may not originate in China’ - Global Times
Written by somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about - suggesting the same virus strain appeared independently in multiple locations at the same time lol.
not-bono-ever
meh
Some bollocks reports about a dog in hongers testing positive . Cannot be arsed to link
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Anybody know what's happening with DPRK? Quite a bit of border transit with china and wonder how north korea would cope health service wise
Pretty interesting graphic representation of how some crazy religious woman caused the infection rate o spike here in South Korea.
graphics.reuters.com
2019 coronavirus: The Korean clusters
How coronavirus cases exploded in South Korean churches and hospitals
ska invita
back on the other side
wtf
Moscow authorities have carried out raids on potential carriers of the virus - individuals at their homes or hotels - and used facial recognition technology to enforce quarantine measures.
Moscow authorities have carried out raids on potential carriers of the virus - individuals at their homes or hotels - and used facial recognition technology to enforce quarantine measures.
Is there a meme/panic/fear-mongering thread? I keep coming across loads of mental articles that I feel the need to share, but this thread is good and useful and I don't want to ruin it.
You should start such a thread - may prove for some light entertainment perhaps?
There’s some hilarious tinfoil stuff going about tbf
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
Guy on BBC News just now, I liked when asked why we're worrying so much about coronavirus compared to flu "well people are a bit too blasé about flu..."
not-bono-ever
meh
Unconfirmed reports that 1 carrier had been shot on the orders of KYU
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
Rumours flying round Swansea that my son's comp will be shut next week because the children of the infected man go there. My son's crossing his fingers for a month off of course.
‘Stay calm and wash your hands’ doesn’t generate clicks for the media tho.
2hats
Dust.
Borders have been shut for some time, restrictions placed on foreign workers and schools closed. Border won't be reopened until there is a cure according to the health minister... "No confirmed cases".
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I just saw somebody washing their hands very thoroughly in the gents at the pub, which must be a first, so some public health advice is getting through it seems.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Switzerland has banned gatherings of over 1000 people. Gatherings with less need permission after local government safety measures.
Hokkaido governor has declared a state of emergency provisionally until March 19. No one should go outside over the weekend as a minimum, the implication is to meet and speak to people, working on a farm or garden is OK.
Korea has a recovered patient cleared for release returning home but then testing positive again after staying at home 6 days without others.
Xuzhou in Jiangsu has had another similar scenario, testing positive after release, her home's apartment block is now quarantined no one allowed in or out foodstuffs to be brought to its main door.
But a chief in the National Health Commission has explained that in Hubei and Guangzhou there have been cases of reinfected or retested positive (depending on your scientific analysis) patients again testing negative after some days.
Iran's parliament will stop meeting.
Kuwait has suspended schools and universities for a minimum 2 weeks.
China is sending a team of 4 infection control experts to Iran to help with the situation there.
Another nurse in Wuhan had a heart attack on duty, is now being kept in an operating theatre.
On Weibo Chinese people spitting feathers at the lax attitude taken by Italian authorities.
In response to the news from Japan, many hope the death of a British person in Japan will encourage British people to take more preventive measures.
Hokkaido governor has declared a state of emergency provisionally until March 19. No one should go outside over the weekend as a minimum, the implication is to meet and speak to people, working on a farm or garden is OK.
Korea has a recovered patient cleared for release returning home but then testing positive again after staying at home 6 days without others.
Xuzhou in Jiangsu has had another similar scenario, testing positive after release, her home's apartment block is now quarantined no one allowed in or out foodstuffs to be brought to its main door.
But a chief in the National Health Commission has explained that in Hubei and Guangzhou there have been cases of reinfected or retested positive (depending on your scientific analysis) patients again testing negative after some days.
Iran's parliament will stop meeting.
Kuwait has suspended schools and universities for a minimum 2 weeks.
China is sending a team of 4 infection control experts to Iran to help with the situation there.
Another nurse in Wuhan had a heart attack on duty, is now being kept in an operating theatre.
On Weibo Chinese people spitting feathers at the lax attitude taken by Italian authorities.
In response to the news from Japan, many hope the death of a British person in Japan will encourage British people to take more preventive measures.
andysays
Love and solidarity
As far as testing for the virus* goes, I thought it was the case that what they actual test for is antibodies produced as reaction to the virus, and that's why there is a period after someone has been infected when they still test negative.
Is that right, or am I mistaken?
*this virus, any virus
Is that right, or am I mistaken?
*this virus, any virus
TopCat
Putin fanboy
What? i want a bit of hows your father?>
Closed their borders.
North Korea’s Coronavirus Quarantine: More Effective Than Sanctions
Coronavirus could prove an existential threat to North Korea, given the manifest vulnerabilities of the country’s public health system to transmission of infectious diseases.
www.forbes.com
