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"We asked dozens of ordinary Chinese citizens how they felt about restrictions, they all said 'Can't complain.'"
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"We asked dozens of ordinary Chinese citizens how they felt about restrictions, they all said 'Can't complain.'"
Aladdin
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elbows
Well-Known Member
I hope the one or two people here who were previously confused about how UK infections compared to some large EU countries, and came out with bogus claims as a result, are taking note of the current situation.
I'm talking about people who claimed that other countries were having 2021 waves with the same timing as the UKs large and sustained wave, and that the differences in figures were just down to testing differences. Well now even Germany is breaking records for case numbers, despite changes a while back that removed certain kinds of free testing from their picture.
Hopefully they will draw the right conclusions now, that the likes of Germany did not have a big wave like the UKs at that time, but now they do, and it shows up in their data.
The BBC live updates page has stuff about that today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59302812
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I'm talking about people who claimed that other countries were having 2021 waves with the same timing as the UKs large and sustained wave, and that the differences in figures were just down to testing differences. Well now even Germany is breaking records for case numbers, despite changes a while back that removed certain kinds of free testing from their picture.
Hopefully they will draw the right conclusions now, that the likes of Germany did not have a big wave like the UKs at that time, but now they do, and it shows up in their data.
The BBC live updates page has stuff about that today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59302812
eg:
teuchter
je suis teuchter
My observation is that Germany's case numbers are now following a similar trajectory, at a similar scale, to what the UK saw in June/July 2021, but their death rate is also seeing quite a dramatic rise that appears to be quite a lot worse than what the UK saw at that same time in the summer.
Germany's vaccination rate now is better than the UK's was in the summer - so would it be wrong to assume that previous infections play a significant role in explaining that difference?
Germany's vaccination rate now is better than the UK's was in the summer - so would it be wrong to assume that previous infections play a significant role in explaining that difference?
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'd probably resist relying on a single assumption at the moment.
I suppose factors could include previous infections, vaccine effects waning, differences in which vaccines were given & timing gap between doses, but also number of deaths in previous waves and the level of infections in different age groups previously and this time around. A hell of a lot of UK summer peak infection numbers were in younger age groups for example. And possible seasonal variations, variations in treatment, variations in outbreak settings (eg hospital spread, care home spread) and possibly some other stuff I havent even mentioned here.
edit - oh and vaccine uptake rate by age group, and differences in how deaths are measured.
20Bees
Well-Known Member
My son’s wife is Chinese and he has lived there for over 10 years, for the last 5 years in a city in the north.
On 20 October he said five positive cases (Delta) had been identified in their province and all communities with a close contact had been locked down, schools and malls closed. Two days later their community had someone identified as a potential contact - though not himself a positive case - and they were ordered to remain inside the apartment for at least 14 days. Eventually it took 21 days to be released.
They’re in a 33 storey apartment in a gated international community. Last lockdown they were allowed into the grounds but only one of them at a time could leave, with temperature checks and ID on leaving and returning. Stricter confinement this time.
On 20 October he said five positive cases (Delta) had been identified in their province and all communities with a close contact had been locked down, schools and malls closed. Two days later their community had someone identified as a potential contact - though not himself a positive case - and they were ordered to remain inside the apartment for at least 14 days. Eventually it took 21 days to be released.
They’re in a 33 storey apartment in a gated international community. Last lockdown they were allowed into the grounds but only one of them at a time could leave, with temperature checks and ID on leaving and returning. Stricter confinement this time.
We don't seem to hear a lot about what's going on in China at the moment where they are still pursuing a zero Covid policy. Article here -
Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid
While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.www.bbc.co.uk
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
So, we didn't stamp out Delta. Our vax rates are getting up there, but in Tamaki Makaurau we've been in a form of lockdown for 3 months now. Just sent unvaxxed Primary and Intermediate kids back this week, but heaps of parents are keeping their kids at home as case numbers bump around 170-200+ a day.
Govt plan is to get 90% of 12+ vaxxed and then open up into a vaccine passport system with traffic light colours for the regions depending on cases, but with christmas approaching it looks like they're going to shift to that early. Won't be vaxxing under-12's until January 2022 at least.
Risky business, all of this tbh.
Govt plan is to get 90% of 12+ vaxxed and then open up into a vaccine passport system with traffic light colours for the regions depending on cases, but with christmas approaching it looks like they're going to shift to that early. Won't be vaxxing under-12's until January 2022 at least.
Risky business, all of this tbh.
Flavour
hang the bankers
"full" (whatever that means) lockdown returning in some parts of Austria
www.reuters.com
Austria's focus shifts to full lockdown as COVID-19 cases keep rising
Pressure on Austria's government to impose a full COVID-19 lockdown grew on Thursday as its worst-hit provinces said they would adopt the measure for themselves since infections are still rising despite the current lockdown for the unvaccinated.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Ireland at 90% over 12s vaccinated
Booster rolled out
But we are facing huge numbers and hospitals are unable to cope.
Government faffed about for way too long...
NOW they are decoding pubs clubs restaurants all to close at midnight every night.
Return to working from home for everyone bar fornt line to people who cant wfh.
Masks back...indoors and outdoors....they never went away but people got very careless.
They've only just introduced antigen testing in schools starting next week.
It all smacks of too little too late.
Booster rolled out
But we are facing huge numbers and hospitals are unable to cope.
Government faffed about for way too long...
NOW they are decoding pubs clubs restaurants all to close at midnight every night.
Return to working from home for everyone bar fornt line to people who cant wfh.
Masks back...indoors and outdoors....they never went away but people got very careless.
They've only just introduced antigen testing in schools starting next week.
It all smacks of too little too late.
editor
hiraethified
So there you have it:
www.theguardian.com
Mask-wearing linked to 53% cut in Covid incidence, global study finds
Researchers said results highlight the need to continue with face coverings, social distancing and handwashing alongside vaccine programmes
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
New Zealand is sounding depressingly scary
dissent has been turning ugly, with death threats against MPs and journalists, increasing protests, warnings from security services about Covid-prompted terror threats, and what researchers have called a “wave” of disinformation tinged with violent rhetoric, QAnon-style conspiracy theories and far-right undertones.
“We’re talking … your aunt and uncle type-people using language like Nuremberg 2.0, common law trials, like ‘the prime minister is a Nazi’ – these are quite extreme terms and terminologies,” says Kate Hannah, a research fellow at Te Pūnaha Matatini’s disinformation project
“Things are starting to escalate,” Labour whip Kieran McAnulty told Stuff on Tuesday, after he’d been publicly denounced by an anti-vaccine campaigner, who said those pushing it should be killed by a lethal injection.
Dissent, threats and fury: mood darkens in New Zealand as Covid restrictions bite
dissent has been turning ugly, with death threats against MPs and journalists, increasing protests, warnings from security services about Covid-prompted terror threats, and what researchers have called a “wave” of disinformation tinged with violent rhetoric, QAnon-style conspiracy theories and far-right undertones.
“We’re talking … your aunt and uncle type-people using language like Nuremberg 2.0, common law trials, like ‘the prime minister is a Nazi’ – these are quite extreme terms and terminologies,” says Kate Hannah, a research fellow at Te Pūnaha Matatini’s disinformation project
“Things are starting to escalate,” Labour whip Kieran McAnulty told Stuff on Tuesday, after he’d been publicly denounced by an anti-vaccine campaigner, who said those pushing it should be killed by a lethal injection.
Dissent, threats and fury: mood darkens in New Zealand as Covid restrictions bite
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
Tennessee vaccine roll out chief fleeing the state
I fear there will be more tragedies from the fervent believers on the anti vaccines/lockdowns lot.
I fear there will be more tragedies from the fervent believers on the anti vaccines/lockdowns lot.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Austrias lockdown isnt just for the unvaccinated any more!
Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges
As well as Monday's lockdown, the chancellor says vaccinations will be compulsory from February.
www.bbc.co.uk
Supine
Newt Member
Austrias lockdown isnt just for the unvaccinated any more!
Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges
As well as Monday's lockdown, the chancellor says vaccinations will be compulsory from February.www.bbc.co.uk
And compulsory vaccinations!
Not surprisingly there are loads of people booking travel to Europe over the coming month's.
Lot of whom are not vaccinated but are furious about paying for PCR tests.
Had a couple (no vaccines) Thursday afternoon who were flying to Romania early Friday morning and asked what they need to do
there has been an endless stream of this sort of thing sadly.
Lot of whom are not vaccinated but are furious about paying for PCR tests.
Had a couple (no vaccines) Thursday afternoon who were flying to Romania early Friday morning and asked what they need to do
there has been an endless stream of this sort of thing sadly. 
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that were not very happy.Not surprisingly there are loads of people booking travel to Europe over the coming month's.
Lot of whom are not vaccinated but are furious about paying for PCR tests.
Had a couple (no vaccines) Thursday afternoon who were flying to Romania early Friday morning and asked what they need to do
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Blamed me entirely and ranted at me that they SHOULD be able to fly anywhere on a lateral flow test.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
You must have the patience of a saint.
I'm not sure I could do that, the temptation to tell *******s like that a few home/world truths would be too much.
[what's so hard about getting your jags, they are free ...]
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
I'm becoming convinced that these conspiracy nutters are insane.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Its concerning how many people have zero capacity for critical thinking, not just the complete loons but loads of people that I know are intelligent seem to buy into the crap that they've see on TV the past months and keep telling me things are a lot better now and that the vaccine has saved us.
No doubt when the media narrative changes so will their outlook, a depressing state of affairs
No doubt when the media narrative changes so will their outlook, a depressing state of affairs
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
considering they hadn't been able to check the travel rules for their destination ahead of travelling I suspect booking a vaccination might be beyond them.
Thing is I don't
But have to wear an ID badge and such
Don't get me wrong, I have shouted and sworn at a fair few idiot's and will continue to do so.
I understand freedom and fairness. This is nothing like that. It is baseless speculation that hurts/kills people. A % of spoiled wankers and cunts have had an easy life but never been told to do anything. Now they are rebelling against something that helps people. These are the racists, Brexit voters and nut jobs who nobody listened to about anything else.
One charmer on Thursday:
Her: You are bullshit and lying for the government.
Me: Which government is that?
Her: The British government of course.
Me: Thanks for clearing that up. Now, do you have a point or anything?
Her: Cancer and mind control and business and dead babies, Jews and infertile children etc etc etc.
Me: Just fuck off and bore another idiot.
Her: I am going to report you.
Me: Really? Who do you think 'they' will believe on this? The guy who is helping people in a global pandemic, or you...
Look at the bigoted, uneducated state of you. I would not trust you to buy a sandwich, let alone consider your opinions on medical science. Now fuck off and go home alone.
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I do need some stock replies
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I do need some stock replies
It's easy if they bang on about 5G chips & tracking - 'you seem to be confusing the vaccine with your mobile phone, you fucking loon'.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I have to admit was amused when you reported that you had told someone your name was Piers Corbyn and they had wrote it downI do need some stock replies
