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elbows
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Well their attempts to wind up members of this forum over a decade ago werent very impressive either. Dull shit about the loony left on this forum and how he hates Ken Livingstone so much that he'd be happy to vote for Johnson, complaints about people laughing at Johnson falling over in a river, along with various attempts to talk shit about the subject of race in the UK.
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hiraethified
You're actually swallowing this bullshit? Jeez.
But please, no more of this inane bollocks on a science-based thread. Thanks.
Oh and you can educate yourself here 5 failings of the Great Barrington Declaration's dangerous plan for COVID-19 natural herd immunity
A very flimsy dismissal.
1. It creates a false dichotomy. The declaration rhetoric offers a false choice between a wholesale return to our pre-pandemic lives (which is objectively dangerous) versus a total lockdown (which no one advocates). Across Canada, schools, daycares and businesses are open and we are providing health care for patients who suffer from non-COVID-19 diseases.
People are advocating a total lockdown. This has happened in multiple countries and in some it still continues.
The NHS now has a massive backlog of patients. Many are still can't get appointments with their GP because Covid has been prioritised over every other illness.
2. The Barrington declaration gives oxygen to fringe groups.
What's wrong with allowing people to voice other opinions? Science is not a constitution, if evolves over time and should be debated.
3. The Barrington declaration puts individual preference far above public good. The declaration advocates that, “individual people, based upon their own perception of their risk of dying from COVID-19 and other personal circumstances, personally choose the risks, activities and restrictions they prefer.”
Yep. Freedom of choice.
4. The declaration misunderstands herd immunity. Herd immunity occurs when a large enough proportion of the population has immunity, usually more than 70 per cent.
It does not misunderstand it. Natural immunity is not taken into account. The government should be testing everyone for antibodies.
Why is natural immunity such a taboo subject?
5. The declaration offers no details on how it would protect the vulnerable.
It does. Shield those that are most at risk.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Once again - read & understand - Claim: The Great Barrington Declaration gives a good alternative to lockdown
I stopped reading after the first point since it's so obviously incorrect:
1) We have vaccines now. The Great Barrington Declaration was misconceived right from the beginning, for reasons we'll discuss below. But now that we have very effective vaccines, the case for "natural herd immunity"—that is, letting the virus burn through certain parts of the population—is weaker than ever. There is now an end in sight, and a great many people now have the possibility to never get the virus in the first place.
The injections do not prevent transmission, illness or death in all cases. Double jabbed people are still catching Covid, getting seriously ill and dying.
Reaching herd immunity through injecting people isn't working out very well for Israel is it?
1) We have vaccines now. The Great Barrington Declaration was misconceived right from the beginning, for reasons we'll discuss below. But now that we have very effective vaccines, the case for "natural herd immunity"—that is, letting the virus burn through certain parts of the population—is weaker than ever. There is now an end in sight, and a great many people now have the possibility to never get the virus in the first place.
The injections do not prevent transmission, illness or death in all cases. Double jabbed people are still catching Covid, getting seriously ill and dying.
Reaching herd immunity through injecting people isn't working out very well for Israel is it?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It has never been claimed they will prevent all transmission, illness or deaths, just substantially reduce the risks.
If you think otherwise, perhaps you can explain that with an average 40k cases a day in the UK now, there's an average of 120 deaths per day, whereas with the same level of cases back in January we were seeing around 1,200 deaths per day. In case your maths is not very good, that's a massive reduction of 90%.
From a peak of 60 deaths a day back in January, during a lockdown, they are down to 9 a day now, with almost all restrictions lifted, it would seem to be working.
A couple of issues with the above argument.
1 - There are fewer vulnerable people now than before as many died this past winter. We had a few warm winters proceeding the first wave in Feb 20 which meant an excess of those at risk, hence the high death rate.
It's called 'harvesting'.
2 - You're not comparing like against like. Jan vs Oct is not a fair comparison.
Respiratory illnesses are much more common, transmissable and deadly during winter months.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
1 - There're 2,240,850 patients on the Shielded List, so plenty of vulnerable people for covid to take, lucky most are vaccinated now.
2 - I am not talking about general respiratory illnesses, but specific covid cases & deaths.
And, you can fuck right off with your 'harvesting' nonsense, which is deeply offensive to those of us that have lost family & friends to this shitty virus.
I think it's about time you are banned from pushing your brainless conspiracy nonsense on here, you complete cunt.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Just this thread, why not all covid threads* at least, or even the site, considering what elbows unearthed about their posting history?
* They are also fucking up the covid chat thread.
It's a scientific term.
'Harvesting' is a terrible word – but it's what has happened in Britain's care homes | Richard Coker
Epidemiologists use the term to describe tragic excess deaths – but for Covid-19 it seems to be the de facto government policy, says professor of public health Richard Coker
There’s a term we use in epidemiology to capture the essence of increases in deaths, or excess mortality, above and beyond normal expectations: “harvesting”.
Hominem attack.
(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.
How about making a useful contribution to the debate?
1 - There're 2,240,850 patients on the Shielded List, so plenty of vulnerable people for covid to take, lucky most are vaccinated now.
2 - I am not talking about general respiratory illnesses, but specific covid cases & deaths.
And, you can fuck right off with your 'harvesting' nonsense, which is deeply offensive to those of us that have lost family & friends to this shitty virus.
I think it's about time you are banned from pushing your brainless conspiracy nonsense on here, you complete cunt.
1 - But still far fewer vulnerable people than before.
2 - Your point makes no sense. You have to compare like against like time periods for a fair comparison.
A third factor to take into consdieration:
3 - Treatment protocol has evolved since March 2020. Patients are more likely to survive due to better knowledge about how to treat the disease once hospitalised.
Attacking me and not the argument just demonstrates that you're unable to engage in any intelligent discussion. Embarrassing.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
A tiny, tiny number of fewer vulnerable people, not enough to explain what is going on now.
Don't be daft, comparing similar number of cases. around 40k a day, with the number deaths being down around 90% is a fair comparison, it makes no different to the time of year.
Well that is true, so let's take a look at the number of people in hospital back in Jan. to now, with similar number of daily cases being reported. Although I'll be generous for illustration purposes, by taking the end of Jan. figure, allowing a 2 week lag between testing positive and ending-up in hospital, by which time daily cases had dropped to less than half of what we have ATM, around 15k to 40k a day, because LOCKDOWN WAS FUCKING WORKING!
So, in Jan. around 32,500, now around 7,000 - that's around 25,500 or 80% less patients in hospital, so why?
IT'S MAINLY DUE TO THE FUCKING VACCINES FUCKING WORKING BY FUCKING REDUCING FUCKING HOSPITAL FUCKING ADMISSIONS, YOU FUCKING LOON!
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I have a feeling they are not trolling
Same here, they are showing classic signs of having gone down the conspiraloons rabbit hole.
klang
klang
I know some people who argue bang the same.Same here, they are showing classic signs of having gone down the conspiraloons rabbit hole.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Fingers crossed 
www.theguardian.com
Charge Bolsonaro with murder over Covid toll, draft Brazil senate report says
Draft text says neglect, incompetence and opposition to science fueled ‘stratospheric’ death toll
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
WA is bringing in mandatory vaccinations for up to 75% of the work force. The State Premier wants to get the vaccination rate over 90% before opening the WA border as having had practically zero covid here, we all know the hospitals aren't up to coping with a lot of sick people. I am all in favour, I'm already jabbed as are most people I know.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
We were comparing the numbers of deaths in the countries represented in our team at work - as bad as the UK is doing, it's dwarfed by the current mess in Eastern Europe...
elbows
Well-Known Member
And it leads to stories like this one in our press today:
www.theguardian.com
Latvia is first country to reimpose lockdown in Europe’s new Covid wave
Baltic state once seen as coronavirus success story announces month of restrictions including curfew
