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Raheem
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A few years ago, I think during Obamamania, they decided that the time on the Domesday Clock was less close to midnight than it had been. Which sort of breaks the whole concept. Not so scary if it allows for time to run backwards.More miserable media
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Not that it was ever anything more than smug academic chintz anyway.
weltweit
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The world needs a massive increase in vaccine production.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Its also inevitable that vaccination issues would bring out the best and the worst in terms of the politics, the actions and rhetoric of states, international cooperation and international fallings-out.
Some countries showing much higher vaccination rates so far inevitably creates political pressure in countries that are doing less well. It would have been just the same with the UK if the boot had been on the other foot and we had been lagging behind various European countries. It doesnt help that since Johnson has made vaccination targets the latest propaganda gimmick in their approach (this is not a judgement about the benefits of vaccination or a dismissal of real successes, only of the crude nature of their target-based propaganda) they couldnt resist included crowing about how many doses we are administering to people compared to some other European countries.
Some countries showing much higher vaccination rates so far inevitably creates political pressure in countries that are doing less well. It would have been just the same with the UK if the boot had been on the other foot and we had been lagging behind various European countries. It doesnt help that since Johnson has made vaccination targets the latest propaganda gimmick in their approach (this is not a judgement about the benefits of vaccination or a dismissal of real successes, only of the crude nature of their target-based propaganda) they couldnt resist included crowing about how many doses we are administering to people compared to some other European countries.
Yes. But leaders of countries trying to secure supplies of whats currently a scarce resource are not 'envious' of Britain's vaccine programme.
SpineyNorman
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The idea that anyone is envious of any aspect of the UK pandemic response is fucking nuts full stop
Raheem
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True, but in future please include the punctuation mark rather than typing out its name.
SpineyNorman
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ice-is-forming
With dignified ease and grace..
Queensland having the luxury of going very cautiously on the vaccine front.
Its just swallowing Tory propaganda
Spiney Norman said:
killer b said:
I'm about to head to a vaccine thread for this, but it is true that despite criminally incompetent and rubbish Tories
, the vaccine programme here really isn't doing all that badly at all.All else about the pandemic though : I have to agree
Other country's government's being 'envious' of Britain's programme is propaganda.I'm about to head to a vaccine thread for this, but it is true that despite criminally incompetent and rubbish Tories
All else about the pandemic though : I have to agree
Didn't say it wasn't.
And I get the general point and agree.
I was saying no more than that the vaccine programme here is doing OK.
Annoyingly, I can't seem to find recent big chat about the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and its distribution on the other vaccine threads on this forum 
**(or is there such a chat over on P & P?)
Just for now, I'll link to these (IMO) interesting Guardian articles :
Daniel Boffey (Guardian EU bureau chief) reckons that the EU's own organisational failings about securing supplies of this vaccine are highly relevant.
Nils Pratley (City/finance editor) reckons that it's best not to 'blame Astra/Zeneca for the row with the EU' [sub-headline -- second part of the link].
He also heavily hints in favour of someone leaking the contracts soon
**(or is there such a chat over on P & P?)
Just for now, I'll link to these (IMO) interesting Guardian articles :
Daniel Boffey (Guardian EU bureau chief) reckons that the EU's own organisational failings about securing supplies of this vaccine are highly relevant.
Nils Pratley (City/finance editor) reckons that it's best not to 'blame Astra/Zeneca for the row with the EU' [sub-headline -- second part of the link].
He also heavily hints in favour of someone leaking the contracts soon
(I'm still about whether this here thread is the best one for this chat)
But!
This latest story by Boffey is potentially worrying :
Maybe this story is over-sensationalised -- see the words 'final option' there.
Nevertheless :
Food for thought!!
about whether this here thread is the best one for this chat)But!
This latest story by Boffey is potentially worrying :
Guardian headline said:
Maybe this story is over-sensationalised -- see the words 'final option' there.
Nevertheless :
Food for thought!!
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
Haven't kept a tally but pretty sure the UK massively over ordered vaccine
I can't recall how much of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was ordered.
But I'm near-certain that UK Government ordered 100 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine..
Which did seem a very high figure to me from the start
..... am I right?ETA : I'm guessing that you have to remember that the Oxford/AZ vaccine is meant to be double-dosed.
mx wcfc
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And if we did? The fact that the UK government ordered millions of vacines before it was even proven is the only thing they have got right so far. It enabled AZ to get on with establishing production facilities etc, It is why we are ahead of the rest of Europe.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
not having a go at the shit-show-masters (for once) just agreeing that it looks like hoarding by wealthy countries is going on (and i include the EU block as a country in that)
I do agree with this
I can only guess how bad the implications for vaccines in developing countries must be, if there are production and supply problems in the UK and EU
Saying that, should the biggest emphasis of all be upon fixing these supply issues?
Rather than kicking off a UK/EU 'trade war' about it.
Supine
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Leaving AZ alone to get on with their jobs would be the biggest help. Remember mfg is working away under all the countries covid restrictions. These are adding stress to the system hugely - including higher than normal absence rates due to employees catching covid. Planting fake bombs at factories also doesn't help
I agree with the above 100% or even 110%!
Remember mfg is working away under all the countries covid restrictions. These are adding stress to the system hugely - including higher than normal absence rates due to employees catching covid. Planting fake bombs at factories also doesn't help
about that bomb story, but even more than that, 
Bloody hell
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's not so much about hoarding, but more to do with wealthy countries throwing money at various vaccine developers & manufactures in order to ensure they had plenty of money to speed everything up, and hedging bets because not all vaccines are likely to be successful, some have already failed to produce the results required.
For example, the UK pre-ordered IIRC six different vaccines, only two are approved so far (pfizer & AZ), with a third (novavax) heading towards approval, that's a bit of a miracle TBH, and there's every possibility the other three may fail.
We certainly have more than enough doses on order, which means any we don't need can be diverted elsewhere, the UK & others are already committed to funding over a billion doses for poorer countries.
The UK actively kept prices of the vaccines higher than they should have been for developing countries. And they may have committed to supplying some but those vaccines aren't getting to those countries yet because we are monopolising them. Do not very yay us.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
India did the protectionist thing recently. They are able to produce enough vaccines for the UK to reach heard immunity in two weeks. You can’t really blame them though.
The Novax approval will ease this tension. It’s a bit irritating the EU wants to divert vaccines away from a country with the worst death rate in Europe.
The Novax approval will ease this tension. It’s a bit irritating the EU wants to divert vaccines away from a country with the worst death rate in Europe.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
The UK has produced a vaccine that costs €2 a dose as they have agreed to not make a profit from the vaccine till the pandemic is over. The Pfizer vaccine is €20 a dose.
The Oxford vaccine will be manufactured all over the world. Brazil and Mexico have capacity to manufacture enough to sort central and southern America out.
Just because a country/government fucks up almost everything it touches is no reason to deny it's few successes, this one may just be 90% luck, but there it is.
I see as much Propaganda in here as I do in any right-leaning forum/website.
