Not just that. There are also signs of long-term immunocompromisation of the lungs as a result of the fundamental ingredients of vaping.Depending on the chemicals being vaped? And only for e-cigarettes I think (not disagreeing with you though).
What Are the Early Warning Signs of Vaping Illness?
Many people have been hospitalized, and some have died from vaping illness. But how do you know if you have it? Here’s what to look out for.www.webmd.com
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Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
Does SK have a tracking app? I thought that they, just like China, were mainly using the method of humans asking people where they've been.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I mean they're publishing the age, gender and detailed itinerary of anyone who tests positive, which seems to be a step too far for Western countries.
Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
I also think you have to have fairly few cases to make that viable. Can you imagine the UK one.
And, I mean, you have to have a proper testing system first too, or it's just meaningless.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I also think you have to have fairly few cases to make that viable. Can you imagine the UK one.
That would make it easier, but still I feel we won't do it.
Right at the beginning in the UK we had a superspreader who returned from a skiing holiday (who has now gone public himself). At the time Public Health England were urging anyone who came into contact with him to come forward for testing, but they refused to give any details about who he was or where he had been.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The UK is still exporting cases.
edit - oops I see this was already mentioned in the general chat thread.
New Zealand's first Covid cases in 24 days came from UK
The two women had been given special exemption to visit a dying parent in New Zealand.
www.bbc.co.uk
edit - oops I see this was already mentioned in the general chat thread.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The UK is still exporting cases.
New Zealand's first Covid cases in 24 days came from UK
The two women had been given special exemption to visit a dying parent in New Zealand.www.bbc.co.uk
edit - oops I see this was already mentioned in the general chat thread.
Better here though surely? Does raise questions about what countries like NZ are going to do longer term with this. Reminds me of that interview with an epidemiologist who said when discussing countries that have done well, it always needs to be ended with "...so far."
Yes and that's been the UK Government's line and will continue to be until either loads of other countries are hit hard with a second spike and they'll say told you so. Or it doesn't happen and they hope everyone moves on and forgets about all those people who died unnecessarily in the UK.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Sewage analysis still proving rather useful, this time for trying to figure out when the virus was actually present in Italy.
Coronavirus was already in Italy by December, waste water study finds
Scientists say samples from Milan and Turin showed virus traces long before cases were confirmed.
www.bbc.co.uk
Yossarian
⏭️
China seems to have had a few problems with using the surveillance state to deal with the pandemic - while the regime are genuinely evil motherfuckers with secret police, high-tech surveillance, and everything else in the authoritarian toolbox, it's all geared toward tracking dissidents and local governments trying to track cases down can't always get hold of all the information they want.
But that's changing - the "health code" now being used to control travel, etc. was apparently based on the measures that were used to turn Xinjiang into a police state within a police state - unsurprisingly, some cities have already declared that it will be a permanent feature after the pandemic.
How China Slowed Coronavirus: Lockdowns, Surveillance, Enforcers
Authorities used extreme tactics and ignored global norms for responding to epidemics. Now, health officials in other countries are taking a look at Beijing’s strategies.
www.wsj.com
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Interesting initiative in Portugal
14h23 - State offers pipes to crack addicts An investment of 78 thousand euros that will allow the 30 non-governmental organizations, most directly involved with drug addicts, to receive a few thousand pieces of equipment. The goal is to avoid contagion by sharing pipes.
14h23 - State offers pipes to crack addicts An investment of 78 thousand euros that will allow the 30 non-governmental organizations, most directly involved with drug addicts, to receive a few thousand pieces of equipment. The goal is to avoid contagion by sharing pipes.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
I cannot help but wonder what a Government-approved crack pipe looks like...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I imagine it’s been designed with users tbh . I know a Portuguese woman who works at the local drug clinic , I’ll ask her.
Covid-19. Estado oferece cachimbos a viciados em crack para evitar contágios
Em tempo de pandemia vão começar a ser distribuídos já no próximo mês, em julho, kits com cachimbos e filtros para os consumidores de drogas fumadas, como por exemplo o crack.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Coronavirus death rates in Yemen's Aden could exceed its wartime fatalities
In Yemen's Aden, coronavirus-related death rates are exceeding wartime fatalities with the health sector becoming overwhelmed and a drop in international aid crippling healthcare work.
There's a very upsetting article here on the impact covid is having in Yemen
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Lisbon has gone back to an 8 at night shutdown for shops and bars due to a persistent 250 new cases a day for past fortnight. Issues around crowded accommodation , immigrant groups are being targeted for testing as they have low take up of testing due to status and language issues. Gatherings reduced to 10 after Police ended up closing down large crowds partying on beaches at night .
Relatively small on world scale but significant Portuguese scale breakout of 80 cases following a party in Lagos in the Algarve . Ministry of Justice looking at prosecutions .
Relatively small on world scale but significant Portuguese scale breakout of 80 cases following a party in Lagos in the Algarve . Ministry of Justice looking at prosecutions .
editor
hiraethified
And now the anti-vaxx twat has got it
news.sky.com
Coronavirus: Novak Djokovic reveals he's an anti-vaxxer and it may stop his return to tennis
The world number one admits his return to international competition could be delayed by his stance.
Novak Djokovic: World number one 'so sorry' after testing positive for coronavirus
World number one Novak Djokovic becomes the latest tennis player to test positive for Covid-19.
www.bbc.co.uk
ruffneck23
front left
Im sorry if we have already had this
Bit of a mixed bag the global news today. Aside from the situation in the states things still seem to be going in the wrong direction in Central & South America though the death rates remain pretty steady. Looks like a bit of an outbreak in Central Asia as well. Oz are having a small outbreak in Melbourne but seem to be all over it.
I have a feeling this sort of thing is going to be the new norm.
I have a feeling this sort of thing is going to be the new norm.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Going to make booking holidays a crap shoot - you never know whether either your home country or destination is going to be under temporary lockdown or quarantine rules by the time you want to travel (or even during a holiday).
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. Loads of Germans in the state that's had to re-lock down were about to go on holiday. Don't book anything you can't cancel and get a refund!Going to make booking holidays a crap shoot - you never know whether either your home country or destination is going to be under temporary lockdown or quarantine rules by the time you want to travel (or even during a holiday).
They do. Gutersloh - where the plant is located - is locked down again, and my sister, who lives in the next major city, tells me they're preparing for the possibility of renewed lockdown there if the outbreak continues to spread. In Germany the local authorities are more powerful and have more freedom of action than they do in the UK, which is partly why they're able to respond effectively to localised outbreaks. If (or perhaps when) the same happens here I don't expect the response will be anything like as coordinated or effective.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
This looks to be a very good recent summary of where we're at it with this damn thing though obviously US-centric. Looks like the old normal isn't coming back anytime soon and certainly not this year.
www.nytimes.com
Six Months of Coronavirus: Here’s Some of What We’ve Learned
Much remains unknown and mysterious, but these are some of the things we’re pretty sure of after half a year of this pandemic.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Lets hope they can get their act together when it happens in a locality here in the UK.
Hope is probably the best we have. Whitehall is not sharing with local authorities the information on which its decisions are - ostensibly - based, they don't have the legal powers needed to enforce local lockdowns, and their capacity to respond to any emergency has been badly damaged by ten years of Tory austerity.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Who, do you mean the local authorities don't have the legal powers?
Can local shutdowns be managed/authorised by Whitehall?
I don't know the precise ins and outs, but my understanding is that local authorities just do not have the legal right to order a shutdown except if they're given emergency powers they currently do not have (and won't unless the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 is invoked). They can of course close individual businesses in certain circumstances, such as major food hygeine breaches, but they can't order pubs, shops etc to close en masse. Moreover, since they don't control the police they have no means of enforcement.
