weltweit
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Makes me wonder, isn't the shipment of PPE & Gowns the UK are expecting supposedly coming from Turkey?
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weltweit
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Coronavirus tracked: the latest figures as the pandemic spreads | Free to read
from Coronavirus tracked: the latest figures as the pandemic spreads | Free to read
Great charts of the world situation. Well worth a read.
from Coronavirus tracked: the latest figures as the pandemic spreads | Free to read
Great charts of the world situation. Well worth a read.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It is, and I did wonder whether it's really a delay, or a shipment that's gone 'missing'...
miss direct
misfungled
I haven’t heard about shortages here. Lots of factories producing them here. Huge textile industry.
weltweit
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CNN page explaining the global demand for ventilators from many countries that have only a few ICU beds for populations in the millions.
This article mentions the developing countries which are missing from so much UK / EU / US reportage.
from 18/04/2020 The world is scrambling to buy ventilators in the Covid-19 pandemic. One country has only four of them -- for 12 million people
This article mentions the developing countries which are missing from so much UK / EU / US reportage.
from 18/04/2020 The world is scrambling to buy ventilators in the Covid-19 pandemic. One country has only four of them -- for 12 million people
weltweit
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My understanding is that many UK companies who can make PPE have submitted their details to government and haven't heard back. You wouldn't even need to take control, just issue purchase orders.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Ventilatiors of course essential tool, but given the survival rate of patients who end up tubed, also needs to be lots of focus on stopping the process that leads to rapid deterioration, whether it's a cytokine storm or something else.
This comment from Alison Pittard, Dean of Britain's Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine, is extremely worrying: "Intensive care doesn't usually offer treatment [for Covid-19], it offers support so that the body can then recover from whatever the underlying illness is." By "usually," she's probably referring to the English hospitals that've broken ranks from the government's obscene attempt to ban doctors from treating Covid patients with anything by oxygen and paracetamol, which they had no power to do, but has wrought havoc with English treatment protocols. It's possibly the greatest under-reported scandal of the U.K.'s botched response, and a stark reminder that we need to have a holistic response or something terrible can slip by.
weltweit
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Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver
from 19/04/2020 Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver
weltweit
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Contact tracing helped end the Ebola outbreak. Public health experts say it can stop COVID-19, too.
from 18/04/2020 Coronavirus: How contact tracing may stop COVID-19 cases
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This shouldn't even be a debate. We know contact tracing works. We knew that two months ago. Among everything else, I struggle to understand why the UK abandoned this idea in March and how it still hasn't got it back going again. As someone mentioned somewhere else, the question here has to be at what stage does this become criminal negligence. At what stage is it simply manslaughter?
weltweit
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I put that item up mainly because it was the first time I had seen a number of people involved in contact tracing, 9,000 in Wuhan, for the size of infection they had, I wonder if it might indicate how many UK would need to do the job properly?
I agree doing it shouldn't be up for debate, but we aren't doing it at the moment and no one politicians or medical / science people seem to be mentioning that it is in our future. That might be cause for concern.
xes
F.O.A.D
In my head, I pictured that as 9000 Ed209s from Robocop.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, lots is the answer, which is why they need to be organising it now. Is why they needed to have been organising it weeks and weeks ago. It's not undoable at all. But it needs someone to bloody do it.
Part of the answer of course is that the testing capability still isn't there. And it still shows no sign of materialising either.
Had a work text earlier informing that Amazon have now installed cctv at the depot that can detect whether someone has broken the 2 metre distancing rule when loading van with parcels in the morning - 2 strikes and you’re gone.
Not sure if you can get cctv that can do that or whether it’s some kind of threat.
weltweit
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No shortage of underutilised people in Britain at the moment.
Hancock doesn't have many days now to get to 100,000 .. it is starting to look like a doubtful target ..
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Piss up and brewery spring to mind.
Impossible for UK to meet Covid-19 testing targets, scientists say
They are a toxic mix of evil and incompetence.
weltweit
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They could harness automation: Robotic platform boost for Covid-19 tests | The Engineer
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
"We've had vicious kings, and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!"
Just listening to the live WH coronavirus presser on now and approx 41k Americans have sadly died with projections to be around 60k by the time the virus passes - so, if that end figure pans out it will be well under the 100k original projection that was made. The main concern is the possibility of certain states opening up too quickly and a relapse in fatalities occur.
Yeah, they’re just past the peak now but seem to be well equipped with a glut of ventilators and hospital beds - they’re looking to send ventilators to other countries in need now.
Also - they’ve tested 4 million people so far and are testing around 1 million people a week which is impressive.
SheilaNaGig
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SheilaNaGig
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I think you’re taking your information directly from Trump Marty1 .
And so far as I can tell, what Trump is saying is at odds with what everyone else is saying.
www.vox.com
thehill.com
And so far as I can tell, what Trump is saying is at odds with what everyone else is saying.
Trump isn’t making America’s ventilator shortage any easier
Making ventilators is hard. Getting politicians to agree on paying for them is harder.
www.vox.com
Severe ventilator shortage sparks desperate scramble
U.S. hot spots in the coronavirus pandemic are facing a shortage of ventilators, and it’s not clear how or even if the need can be met. Manufacturers are scrambling to ramp up their prod…
thehill.com
I think you’re taking your information directly from Trump Marty1 .
And so far as I can tell, what Trump is saying is at odds with what everyone else is saying.
Trump isn’t making America’s ventilator shortage any easier
Making ventilators is hard. Getting politicians to agree on paying for them is harder.
Severe ventilator shortage sparks desperate scramble
U.S. hot spots in the coronavirus pandemic are facing a shortage of ventilators, and it’s not clear how or even if the need can be met. Manufacturers are scrambling to ramp up their prod…
Yeah, just watched the live presser.
Im not discounting your linked articles but not one of the journalists present questioned ventilator shortages at all - including CNN who you can guarantee would have jumped all over such.
Clearly there is a disparity between your links and the official WH info - perhaps due to your links not being particularly current in this dynamic pandemic climate, reflected in there publication dates.
SheilaNaGig
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I looked for more recent reports but nothing came up.
I did see this though:
GM delivered its first medical ventilators: Where they went
Hospitals in Illinois to receive the first ventilators GM and Ventec have made at GM's plant in Kokomo, Indiana.
eu.usatoday.com
...which says that GM have managed to deliver 44 ventilators to Chicago, with another 30,000 to be made by the end of August.
“GM and Ventec have contracted with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to provide 30,000 ventilators by the end of August. GM secured a $490 million government contract for the machines.
President Donald Trump initially chastised GM on Twitter for moving too slowly to make ventilators. But he has since praised the automaker after it said it would start building the machines at Kokomo.”
Are these the vents that Trump is claiming to have in hand? If GM and Ventec, with a government contract worth $490 million, have only delivered 44 up til April 17, who has made and delivered all these extra vents that Trump is talking about in his press conference?
As for the testing claim...
Not seeing any evidence of that hat either.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.
Number of specimens tested for SARS CoV-2 by CDC labs (N= 5,091) and U.S. public health laboratories* (N= 372,408)†
I just don’t understand how a sane person can give any credence to Trump’s proven nonsense. Go ahead and support him, like him if you want to, but how the fuck can you believe his lies?
ETA
Also, America is not past the peak. How can they be? It’s a ludicrous claim.
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Tankus
Amused OAP
Everything is going to be fine, the Queen will be addressing the nation at 8 pm on Sunday.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Am I being to cynical that the same souless fuckers who initially had their way in pushing for a hurd immunity response , are now thinking in terms of resolving the pension black hole and houseing shortage all in one fell swoop.
I looked for more recent reports but nothing came up.
I did see this though:
GM delivered its first medical ventilators: Where they went
Hospitals in Illinois to receive the first ventilators GM and Ventec have made at GM's plant in Kokomo, Indiana.
...which says that GM have managed to deliver 44 ventilators to Chicago, with another 30,000 to be made by the end of August.
“GM and Ventec have contracted with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to provide 30,000 ventilators by the end of August. GM secured a $490 million government contract for the machines.
President Donald Trump initially chastised GM on Twitter for moving too slowly to make ventilators. But he has since praised the automaker after it said it would start building the machines at Kokomo.”
Are these the vents that Trump is claiming to have in hand? If GM and Vented, with a government contract worth $490 million, have only delivered 44 up til April 7, who has made and delivered all these extra vents that Trump is talking about in his press conference?
As for the testing claim...
Not seeing any evidence of that hat either.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.www.cdc.gov
Number of specimens tested for SARS CoV-2 by CDC labs (N= 5,091) and U.S. public health laboratories* (N= 372,408)†
I just don’t understand how a sane person can give any credence to Trump’s proven nonsense. Go ahead and support him, like him if you want to, but how the fuck can you believe his lies?
ETA
Also, America is not past the peak. How can they be? It’s a ludicrous claim.
Im just commenting on the most up to date WH presser, it’s a misconception/sport that I ‘support’ Trump, I’m just more aware of the anti-Trump bias.
It was Mike Pence that stated they’ve tested 4 million Americans to date and Trump who stated the over supply of ventilators even going as far as informing they still have federal emergency reserves of ventilators not fully utilised.
The general tone of this press briefing was of the beginning of a tailored and measured approach to re-opening counties within states based on data, characterised by a female official (can’t remember her name or position) as a sunrise rather than an on/off switch.
On a separate note, I’ve heard that the govt here in the U.K. may be starting to allow certain business to re-open like garden centres.
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