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Apparently, some people are wearing water jugs on their heads to prevent getting the virus.

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In pictures posted on Facebook on Jan. 28 by Lynn Carter, a woman can be seen at Vancouver International Airport wearing what appears to be a plastic water bottle on her head while also donning a surgical mask over her mouth.

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(Lynne Carter/Facebook)

The lid of the bottle is missing in order to let the person breathe. A hole was also cut into the back of the bottle to feed her ponytail through.

According to online publication Vancouver Is Awesome, a third photo was also posted by Carter depicting another woman with a child, both wearing bottles on their heads, while riding a train.

 
That and pharmaceutical companies will tend to jump on potential new uses for their products with an enthusiasm matched only by a horny golden retriever.

Yes the press release explosion has been noted with much skepticism in these quarters!

Generally I would say that despite various optimistic stories, we shouldnt expect anything during the current season, maybe if it becomes a thing that returns seasonally then we will have something for next season, but even that will be impressive.

What I dont rule out is that China might sidestep the normal procedures and try something in a big way in the coming months, which could in turn challenge my assumptions about the future timetable.
 
Top marks for improvisation. Protects one of the other key soft wet entry points.

Yeah. Effectiveness will come down to other factors such as whether you fiddle with it, how you put it on and take it off and the order that you wash your hands during this process. eg all the theoretical good direct protection of eyes etc that could come from wearing it all day is wasted if the first thing you do after removing it is rub your finger in your eye.
 
COUGH ahem...

I'm sure someone will tell me this is relatively ineffective but 10/10 for improvisation!

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Apparently, some people are wearing water jugs on their heads to prevent getting the virus.

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Top marks for improvisation. Protects one of the other key soft wet entry points.
 
This link details a limited trial in which kaletra has been used in an unofficial trial on patients from this outbreak.


Thanks, I'd read that study before because it caused me to moan about corticosteroids, but I had forgotten all the antivaral info in it, which I will now quote.

No antiviral treatment for coronavirus infection has been proven to be effective. In a historical control study, 31the combination of lopinavir and ritonavir among SARS-CoV patients was associated with substantial clinical benefit (fewer adverse clinical outcomes). Arabi and colleagues initiated a placebo-controlled trial of interferon beta-1b, lopinavir, and ritonavir among patients with MERS infection in Saudi Arabia. 32Preclinical evidence showed the potent efficacy of remdesivir (a broad-spectrum antiviral nucleotide prodrug) to treat MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV infections.33, 34 As 2019-nCoV is an emerging virus, an effective treatment has not been developed for disease resulting from this virus. Since the combination of lopinavir and ritonavir was already available in the designated hospital, a randomised controlled trial has been initiated quickly to assess the efficacy and safety of combined use of lopinavir and ritonavir in patients hospitalised with 2019-nCoV infection.
 
For example the Director General has spent quite a long time praising China in the press conference. Some of this is 'diplomacy', and some of it is a completely reasonable response given that a number of aspects of the Chinese response and data sharing have been quite impressive, and some of the criticism of them unfair or unrealistic. But there will be contradictions, eg some steps China have taken are unlikely to be considered to be proportionate by WHO doctrine in normal times.

I think it's worth reiterating how much the political direction under Xi Jinping is to blame for this crisis. There is too much stuff in western media praising the CCP for a swift response, but the reality is that they are only making a show of doing a lot now that it is already out of control, and they initially tried to sweep it under the rug. They deserve criticism, not praise for this, and Xi Jinping in particular deserves to burn for it.

The first case was reported December 8th, and it was hushed up. Nothing was done.

By December 31st, there were 27 confirmed cases. Still nothing was done.

In early January, the Wuhan government started arresting people who posted about it online for "spreading rumours" even though they were reporting the truth. This was embarrassing to the Wuhan government who swept it under the rug.

From January 6th to January 17th, Wuhan hosted two important political conferences and prioritized suppressing any embarrassment during this time.

The first death was January 11th. Still nothing was done.

On January 14th, journalists who reported on it were arrested.

The government continued to lie, insisting that human to human transmission was impossible, and arresting those who reported otherwise.

On January 16th, 49 cases were confirmed. Still the government downplayed it and claimed human to human transmission was impossible.

On January 18th, a record breaking attempt at a New Year's Banquet was held in Wuhan for 40,000 families, with people eating from the same dishes, only 3km away from market where it originated. The government issued 200,000 free travel tickets to get people to the event.

On January 19th, Chinese officials published a statement saying that it was not infectious and there was no need for concern.

On January 20th, pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan confirmed human to human transmission.

On January 21st, a New Year Celebration event was held in which several performers were ill. State media praised them for continuing despite the illness.

January 22nd, the government finally warns people in Wuhan to wear masks.

January 23rd, quarantine, after 5 million people had already left Wuhan to return to hometowns for Spring Festival.

The Central Government is blaming the Wuhan local government for this. But it is the central government under Xi Jinping who have decimated civil society and banned the vast majority of NGOs from operating, it is the central government under Xi Jinping who has tightened internet censorship to an extreme degree and created over active censors, and it is the central government under Xi Jinping who have continually promoted an ideology of "positive energy" which in essence means ignoring bad news, and it is the central government under Xi Jinping who have purged all opponents in the party to create a yes-man culture.

Their reaction now is extreme as a way of compensating and looking like they are doing a lot, but they are to blame for this. In fact, the Mayor of Wuhan who has been forced to resign has claimed that he was unable to alert people due to rules that required Beijing's approval to release sensitive information. So again, the centralisation of political power in the hands of the "Chairman of Everything" Xi Jinping is to blame. Wuhan Mayor Says Beijing Rules Partially Responsible for Lack of Transparency

I leave you with a message from a Wuhan resident, in quite beautiful and clear Mandarin:

 
I think it's worth reiterating how much the political direction under Xi Jinping is to blame for this crisis. There is too much stuff in western media praising the CCP for a swift response, but the reality is that they are only making a show of doing a lot now that it is already out of control, and they initially tried to sweep it under the rug. They deserve criticism, not praise for this, and Xi Jinping in particular deserves to burn for it.

The first case was reported December 8th, and it was hushed up. Nothing was done.

By December 31st, there were 27 confirmed cases. Still nothing was done.

In early January, the Wuhan government started arresting people who posted about it online for "spreading rumours" even though they were reporting the truth. This was embarrassing to the Wuhan government who swept it under the rug.

From January 6th to January 17th, Wuhan hosted two important political conferences and prioritized suppressing any embarrassment during this time.

The first death was January 11th. Still nothing was done.

The last thing I want to do is spent time defending aspects of the Chinese response, but anything full of 'nothing was done' statements relating to certain stages tends to provoke a response from me.

Lots of things were done that are really important, such as notifying the WHO on December 31st, and then providing a flow of data, samples, research. Thats not trivial stuff, it matters hugely and it happened.

This is in no way a claim that they did everything that could possibly be done at the right moment, or that there are no failings of all sorts of different political and administrative levels which can be explored and condemned where appropriate.

But in the context of responses to novel disease outbreaks, there are all sorts of real reasons why some aspects of the response have been impressive to people, to members of the scientific and health community. That is no consolation whatsoever for anyone affected in Wuhan or elsewhere by this outbreak. But people who compare this to other events and government responses in the past are going to find reasons to praise, as well as reasons for concern. And I will never support the idea that none of the praise is justified just because of all the other baggage. Versions of the story that imply China was simply negligent for not waving a magic wand at a critical moment in December do not seem well connected to the past realities of humanities actual capability to nip outbreaks in the bud. Especially because in the early days recognising the nature of a cluster of illnesses may take a painfully long time. Surveillance can be tricky, and other countries capabilities in this realm are also far less sophisticated than everyone would like.

I really hope the limited scope of my point on this one is clear, I really dont want to have to go over all the things I am not giving China a 'get out of jail free card' over with their response to this outbreak.

Depending on how this outbreak evolves, there will no doubt be other things that China does that people will find good reason to criticise, and I have absolutely no problem with that. But there may also be further opportunities to judge the responses and shortcomings of other nations, which may offer more opportunities to put all this stuff in perspective.
 
And if the praise from some quarters seems far too lavish, there are practical considerations behind that too.

The idea is that they are trying to reinforce the lesson that disclosure and information sharing with an entity like the WHO is a good thing for the country making the painful disclosures. So when a country like China that sat on stuff for ages in relation to SARS years ago, instead engages with the WHO, they want to encourage more of the same. Heavily praising their efforts so far is part of that, and is arguably well justified in its own right when it comes to a number of areas in particular.

Plus a lot of this sort of things tends to sit fairly well with another key function and role of entities like the WHO. Its another complex area that can get messy quickly or backfire - maintaining or restoring public faith in health advice and authorities. Including panic reduction, misinformation debunking, and yes in the current global order and the high degree of specialisation, a degree of paternalism and 'we know best' that isnt what we'd ideally want from civilisation. In my mind there are sensible reasons to be a bit cynical about these things, but we also see the horrors that can emerge in voids where all of this stuff has broken down or backfired and people construct a sense of the disease, how to fight it, who to blame etc that may be utterly divorced from scientific and medical reality. And yes some of the mistakes China likely made can undermine the best and most decent efforts in this realm, so I'm not just bringing up all these points as shields, some of them can be used as weapons of criticism too.
 
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Here’s a short podcast by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine discussing their efforts to mathematically model the outbreak:
 
And if the praise from some quarters seems far too lavish, there are practical considerations behind that too.

The idea is that they are trying to reinforce the lesson that disclosure and information sharing with an entity like the WHO is a good thing for the country making the painful disclosures. So when a country like China that sat on stuff for ages in relation to SARS years ago, instead engages with the WHO, they want to encourage more of the same. Heavily praising their efforts so far is part of that, and is arguably well justified in its own right when it comes to a number of areas in particular.

Thanks for a thoughtful and informative response.
 
Thanks for a thoughtful and informative response.

Cheers to you too for not taking anything I said as some attempt to destroy your points or shutdown all criticism of China.

And sorry that I added a bit more to my post after you had already liked it and were in the process of responding to it. I really should try to let my thoughts on a particular detail finish flowing before I press the post button!
 
More than 9,600 confirmed as infected now. :(

That's more than the 8,098 SARS cases, which was over a 9-month period.
 
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I really tried, but I just could not help but find the contrast in masks amusing.



He could at least have got one for his wife... I had a mask like that in China though, because I got into carving jade, they're relatively cheap there. Would be much more effective than a standard mask, and the silicon is... reasonably comfortable. But... 12 hour plane trip.
 
This outbreak shows no signs of being contained, so shouldn’t we be asking ourselves what measures we should sensibly be taking to prepare? I don’t suppose face masks can be easily obtained at this stage (maybe two weeks ago), but stocking the house with some non perishables seems smart to me. In another couple of weeks the UK govt might be advising people to stay home and avoid all travel, or am I getting things totally out of proportion?

This is unprecedented, so I really don’t know what measures western governments are likely to take when this starts spreading over here, which it seems it inevitably will.
 
He could only find one of those gas masks in the shop or it came from his personal collection? :confused::D

Not a gas mask really... I use them for carving wood (and the aforementioned jade) as they have a much better seal and - to me - are easier to wear for a long time than the simple disposable ones. And obviously the filter is very effective. I got it for spray lacquers, but became my general work mask. Honestly everyone in China should wear those anyway, as they're really the only effective way to deal with the pollution, but no-one does.
 
....or am I getting things totally out of proportion?

Yes.

It's bad, being something new, but to put it into perspective, between 250k - 500k+ people across the world die from flu every year.

So far only 14 cases have been reported in Europe, as long as numbers remain fairly low, it should be manageable to contain.

Updated today -

Cases have been reported in the following continents:
Asia:
China (9 723), Thailand (14), Japan (14), Singapore (13), Taiwan (9), Malaysia (8), Republic of Korea (7), United Arab Emirates (4), Vietnam (5), Cambodia (1), Nepal (1), The Philippines (1), India (1), and Sri Lanka (1).
Europe: France (6), Germany (5), Italy (2) and Finland (1).
America: the United States (6) and Canada (3).
Oceania: Australia (9).

 
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