The Chinese airlines are still operating to the UK and there must be connecting options available. I'm guessing the cost might be high. Is it more to do with getting to the cities in China where these flights depart from?
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The Chinese airlines are still operating to the UK and there must be connecting options available. I'm guessing the cost might be high. Is it more to do with getting to the cities in China where these flights depart from?
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Personally still think China is very, very unlikely to have widespread social problems. Everything I’ve seen indicates that faith in the government may have been disrupted a bit, but is holding strong for most. From maomao’s talk on in-laws to chats with friends there. More broadly than that there’s plenty of (mild) nationalism from teachers/assistants etc I used to know.
On the other hand, if it goes much beyond the normal holiday and lack of wages starts to bite... or food shortages. No amount of faith in government will get round that. Though it’s probably more likely that people will just start going back to normal life, even with the virus still around. It is a risk though, and there’s always the possibility of bad feeling toward foreigners.
On the other hand, if it goes much beyond the normal holiday and lack of wages starts to bite... or food shortages. No amount of faith in government will get round that. Though it’s probably more likely that people will just start going back to normal life, even with the virus still around. It is a risk though, and there’s always the possibility of bad feeling toward foreigners.
Agreed.
A lot of people aren't going to get paid at the end of this month. Things could get quite dangerous.
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elbows
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A quite disgusting, shameful and risky lack of the basic data that would be required to properly consider medical supply chain risk is described in this article:
www.wired.com
The Coronavirus Is a Threat to the Global Drug Supply
The world's pharmaceutical supply chain is in danger as the virus spreads across China and jeopardizes travel and trade.
Yu_Gi_Oh
天天好心情
It's just hard to say how long other airlines will be offering flights. Russia just closed their borders to China. I'd say things are very unpredictable right now, and if you had the ability to take a trip for a few weeks, this would be a good time. Especially since all schools are closed right now anyway.
maomao
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I've been told getting to and from airports without your own car is pretty much impossible. Taxi drivers have been told to turn down airport work and bus and train services have been cancelled indefinitely.
Combustible
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Many Intercity buses have been cancelled yes, but I haven't heard of train services being cancelled outside Hubei. Yesterday I got a train to Shanghai and then a taxi to the airport before flying out (entirely planned for work). Only difference was what seemed to be cursory temperature scans at the train station and airport.
elbows
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elbows
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Sounds like the UK flight now has approval.
Coronavirus: Britons in Wuhan to fly home on Friday
A flight carrying 150 UK and 50 EU nationals out of the coronavirus-hit city is due back on Friday.
www.bbc.co.uk
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There’s a video doing the rounds of how things look in Nanjing, it’s wechat specific though. And probably too sentimental/patriotic for urban... sweeping drone shots and the like. Has people working (快递, supermarkets, drivers) and shopping though.... and metro. I guess that will be reflected on a wider basis. People will just go back to work because they have to. How that works in terms of wider logistics, especially international I suppose remains to be seen. And also in terms of schools, universities etc.
elbows
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I've plucked some relevant entries from the wikipedia SARS timeline, dates are all 2003. Most of this stuff relates to warnings rather than outright bans:
2002–2004 SARS outbreak - Wikipedia
Awareness, information and spread timings were different with SARS, and the timing was also different in relation to the seasons.
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TopCat
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Why wont they be paid? I'm confused?
Presumably because no work = no pay.
Cid
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I've plucked some relevant entries from the wikipedia SARS timeline, dates are all 2003. Most of this stuff relates to warnings rather than outright bans:
2002–2004 SARS outbreak - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Awareness, information and spread timings were different with SARS, and the timing was also different in relation to the seasons.
Travel within China was, I think significantly different too... no experience of it then, but for example since 2003 they’ve basically built an entire high speed rail network (over which time we failed to even plan one, but that’s another subject).
Just trying to think in terms of the wider social and economic implications, but really China has changed so rapidly, and the situation is different in any case... almost impossible to draw any useful comparison.
Yu_Gi_Oh
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I don't expect to be paid after February. I know they've done the payroll for that, but since the university is closed indefinitely, they don't know how it'll work for March.
elbows
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Yeah, coupled with too many unknowns at this stage makes it hard for me to make any grand proclamations!
Even the Public Heath Emergency of International Concern system (PHEIC) was only brought in after SARS. By the way I expect one of those to be declared later today and when that is announced it will be consistent with what we already know, not a sign that something we havent been told yet has been discovered.
Well to give an example, a friend of mine works at a private English training centre. This is actually one of their most profitable times of year because while public schools are closed, parents send their kids to special English courses. These courses are cancelled, so no income for the school, and there will likely be trouble paying staff this month as a result. This will be happening in many, many workplaces.
Supine
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Regarding pharma responses, this from Wuxi who manufacture drugs for lots of big pharma companies
"the Chinese company also said it has assembled a team of more than 100 R&D folks to work on a variety of “neutralizing antibodies” from some of its biotech clients that may be used against the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). It expects to have the first batch ready for preclinical and human studies in two months and commercial supplies ready in record time.
“Compared with the traditional timeline of 12 to 18 months, all studies from DNA to IND could hopefully be completed in 4-5 months while maintaining high quality,” it said. Given its reactor capacity, a single batch could make enough antibodies to treat 80,000 patients"
"the Chinese company also said it has assembled a team of more than 100 R&D folks to work on a variety of “neutralizing antibodies” from some of its biotech clients that may be used against the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). It expects to have the first batch ready for preclinical and human studies in two months and commercial supplies ready in record time.
“Compared with the traditional timeline of 12 to 18 months, all studies from DNA to IND could hopefully be completed in 4-5 months while maintaining high quality,” it said. Given its reactor capacity, a single batch could make enough antibodies to treat 80,000 patients"
elbows
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I believe the assumption, unless proven (or at least strongly hinted at) otherwise, is that a good degree of immunity would be granted by having been infected, but this would diminish over time. For two reasons: these sorts of viruses make quite a lot of mistakes when copying themselves, so over time they mutate and diverge away from how they used to look, making our immune systems less likely to recognise them. And it could be that the capability our immune systems build up in regards the virus also declines over time for other reasons unrelated to the virus changing.
One of the things I need to do is spend more time reading about the existing coronaviruses that are not the dramatic SARS and MERS ones, but rather the couple we know about that are responsible for a percentage of the 'common colds' we experience, largely seasonally, and apparently we tend to experience these in waves of worse seasons every 3-4 years. For all I know the perceived 3-4 year cycles could tell us something about longevity of immunity, or it may be down to other factors, or a mix of both. I think I was reading something about one of these strains that suggested genetic research indicated it probably spilled over from bats to humans in the 19th century. So I've only read a small and somewhat random collection of info about these less famous, but make no mistake, highly prevalent coronaviruses have been around all our lives. I think the first thing I thought when I started searching was 'oh no, not another disease that we have researched so much less than I was hoping'.
Baronage-Phase
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Would having the pneumonia vaccine give any protection?
elbows
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Only in the sense that sometimes more than one infection can happen at the same time, so sometimes other things are given to prevent these co-infections. But it wont actually do anything to prevent coronavirus infection.
