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blameless77
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weltweit
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Somalia, coronavirus is just one more serious thing to worry about. Quite an interesting article if like me you don't know so much about conditions in Somalia atm.
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weltweit
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
While it ravages New York and metastasizes throughout much of the Northeast, the coronavirus is also quickly bearing down on new hot spots, sending doctors and first responders scrambling to prepare for the onslaught.
Still unable to conduct widespread testing, and fearful as the federal government fails to marshal critical supplies, officials in Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Los Angeles are watching caseloads climb and taking extraordinary measures to prepare, all the while hoping that aggressive social-distancing measures might ward off the most dismal projections.
Still unable to conduct widespread testing, and fearful as the federal government fails to marshal critical supplies, officials in Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Los Angeles are watching caseloads climb and taking extraordinary measures to prepare, all the while hoping that aggressive social-distancing measures might ward off the most dismal projections.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
this was instantly rejected by cuomo (NY), and murphy (NJ) and lamont (CT) were non-committal.
it's a topic here already, why trump floated the idea in the first place. he created tension and confusion, and we'll see how the trumpers spin it.
my cynical take is that he did it because he can, to show who's boss rhetorically, though not legally, as quarantines are up to governors and mayors, and the president (i believe) can't order that. others, more kindly, say he's impulsive (which is true, like an emotional teenager).
teqniq
DisMembered
Harrassment and persecution of Palestininas continues unabated:
english.alaraby.co.uk
Israeli forces demolish emergency coronavirus clinic for Palestinians
The confiscation of materials to build a community clinic in a West Bank village demonstrates how the occupation will not let up, even in times of crisis.
sideboob
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Looks like the gov`t has the power to call a quarentine. Sorry, I don`t know how to post a link from my chromebook but it comes under the Public Health Service Act. This power/task is normally delegated to the CDC. I saw on the news (so it must be real!) that the last time a president did this was during the Spanish flu.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
i see what you mean.
Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC
Isolation and quarantine help protect the public by preventing exposure to people who have or may have a contagious disease. Page content includes the regulatory authority and definitions of isolation and quarantine.
www.cdc.gov
to save my argument though, the authority is with the CDC, not the president.
Donald Trump considered quarantining New York. Can he do that?
Federal quarantine rules are old and have rarely been used, leaving much about them unclear.
qz.com
so, President Donald Trump had asked the CDC on Saturday to issue the advisory after he had floated the idea of a quarantine earlier in the day.
CDC issues travel advisory for New York, New Jersey, Connecticut
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a travel advisory urging people in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut to "refrain from non-essential domestic travel" for the next two weeks.
www.cnn.com
but, true, they would scarcely say "no."
Anju
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I don't think these figures include whatever measures Brazil has taken but I would think that they could be in the top half as things stand.
"Experts believe far more people are likely to die. Recent modelling by researchers from Imperial College London suggested Brazil could have more than 1.1 million Covid-19 deaths if no action were taken to control the pandemic; 529,000 if only elderly people were forced to isolate; and 44,200 if drastic measures were implemented."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/bolsonaro-warns-health-minister-covid-19?
Saw the above article on a friend's Facebook feed and in the posts one of his friends who still lives there close to the border with Argentina has just bought a gun. Obviously only anecdotal but he seemed genuinely scared and feels he has to stay as he has a lot of family who can't or don't want to leave.
"Experts believe far more people are likely to die. Recent modelling by researchers from Imperial College London suggested Brazil could have more than 1.1 million Covid-19 deaths if no action were taken to control the pandemic; 529,000 if only elderly people were forced to isolate; and 44,200 if drastic measures were implemented."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/bolsonaro-warns-health-minister-covid-19?
Saw the above article on a friend's Facebook feed and in the posts one of his friends who still lives there close to the border with Argentina has just bought a gun. Obviously only anecdotal but he seemed genuinely scared and feels he has to stay as he has a lot of family who can't or don't want to leave.
weltweit
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How lockdown is being dealt with around Europe
Coronavirus capital by capital: How are Europeans coping with shutdown?
Europeans face a blizzard of restrictions on their freedoms as authorities try to stop the spread.
www.bbc.co.uk
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
How lockdown is being dealt with around Europe
Coronavirus capital by capital: How are Europeans coping with shutdown?
Europeans face a blizzard of restrictions on their freedoms as authorities try to stop the spread.www.bbc.co.uk
That's a good round-up, well worth reading.
josef1878 2.0
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This theory seems to be gaining some traction. Any informed thoughts? I certainly had those symptoms a while back but that probably means nothing.
Is It Possible That You Had The Coronavirus Earlier This Year?
Many people had the flu or a bad cold in late 2019 or early 2020, and they're now wondering if the symptoms were actually COVID-19.www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
Have I already had coronavirus? How would I know and what should I do?
Covid-19 symptoms, when they occur, vary widely and undertesting means many people have probably been unwittingly infectedwww.theguardian.com
Towards the end of last year mrs1878 was wiped out for over a week with all the symptoms of covid-19. She couldn't get out of bed, high temperature and constant unproductive cough. She recovered and went back to work. For a month after I had milder symptoms but carried on working. One by one people at work developed similar symptoms, some went off, some carried on working but the chain carried on until the Christmas break
Since last Monday mrs1878 has been on enforced leave due to her asthma and being in a risk group. This will last 13 weeks and she is climbing the walls and showing no symptoms.
I'm sure if she could get an antibodies test it would show she has had it and before the first reported cases.
weltweit
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An interesting article explaining serious lapses in the response of Trump and the USA compared to South Korea etc, also the lack of leadership and missing CDC which should be at the centre, time wasted etc from: The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life
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Cid
Proper break this time
Unless she was actually in Wuhan, that's very unlikely.
weltweit
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More car makers to make ventilators - lord help us
from: Coronavirus could infect 'millions' of Americans
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Just knew the catch-all "Commerce Clause" would make a showing!i see what you mean.
Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC
Isolation and quarantine help protect the public by preventing exposure to people who have or may have a contagious disease. Page content includes the regulatory authority and definitions of isolation and quarantine.
to save my argument though, the authority is with the CDC, not the president.
Donald Trump considered quarantining New York. Can he do that?
Federal quarantine rules are old and have rarely been used, leaving much about them unclear.
so, President Donald Trump had asked the CDC on Saturday to issue the advisory after he had floated the idea of a quarantine earlier in the day.
CDC issues travel advisory for New York, New Jersey, Connecticut
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a travel advisory urging people in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut to "refrain from non-essential domestic travel" for the next two weeks.
but, true, they would scarcely say "no."
weltweit
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Coronavirus: Historic Ireland-China PPE flights lands in Dublin
from Historic Ireland-China PPE flights lands in Dublin
josef1878 2.0
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Cid
Proper break this time
Nearly, it was Wigan. The symptoms were exactly the same. Her work means she meets a lot of Chinese students who usually go home for the holidays. She might have started it, fuck knows
They go home end of semester and come back as late as possible though (because of spring festival). There are a lot of things that go around with essentially the exact same symptoms (or at least with enough overlap). By that measure I've had it 4 years ago and 2 years ago (while I was in China
).
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Clearly, the secret is to rarely test.
bimble
floofy
Yes. For a little moment i forgot that this might be mostly that. At the same time ffs why aren't my folks taking it seriously etc.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
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elbows
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The timing doesnt match the best knowledge about the outbreak, although I always keep in reserve the possibility that what we know about the origins is inaccurate. But that very small possibility cannot really factor much into these sorts of discussions, its so unlikely.
Generally speaking there are so many causes of influenza-like-illnesses, and it is normal that we will tend to assume that the currently most high-profile one is the one we just caught, even when it isnt.
One of the reasons medical people would really like to have this sort of pandemic wave happening at a time other than the normal season for influenza-like-illnesses, is that it then becomes possible for assumptions to become a lot more accurate, before formal test results are available. It becomes possible to have much increased confidence that the patient thats just been admitted is probably suffering from Covid-19 rather than anything else. Its still not fool-proof, but its a much better bet.
Generally speaking there are so many causes of influenza-like-illnesses, and it is normal that we will tend to assume that the currently most high-profile one is the one we just caught, even when it isnt.
One of the reasons medical people would really like to have this sort of pandemic wave happening at a time other than the normal season for influenza-like-illnesses, is that it then becomes possible for assumptions to become a lot more accurate, before formal test results are available. It becomes possible to have much increased confidence that the patient thats just been admitted is probably suffering from Covid-19 rather than anything else. Its still not fool-proof, but its a much better bet.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Swiss new cases have flattened off over the last week. They may be at, or very near, or even just past peak. And daily deaths may be flattening off as well now. tbh I'd rather have Switzerland's numbers right now than the UK's.
weltweit
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This really shocked me. HorrendousHarrassment and persecution of Palestininas continues unabated:
Israeli forces demolish emergency coronavirus clinic for Palestinians
The confiscation of materials to build a community clinic in a West Bank village demonstrates how the occupation will not let up, even in times of crisis.
weltweit
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I find it somewhat disturbing that the further away from China the virus travels the less prepared the countries seem to be and the larger their expected death toll is predicted. So we have it moving early to Italy with nasty results and now expanding in the USA with even higher predicted fatalities.
And yet there is this example South Korea which was infected early, has followed test test and quarantine and has not had a lockdown yet they appear to be the only country in the developed world that has followed this strategy, despite it apparently seems to be the least destructive strategy that is actually working, leaving China aside for the moment.
So in the UK we have a lockdown, have largely given up on test and trace, didn't anyhow develop the testing resources to be able to do it, and are now stating 20,000 fatalities would be a good result. And the USA where the infections now seem out of control and the expected fatalities it seems will dwarf the ROW results in part because of zero preparations.
And around the world there are the same issues, shortages of PPE for medical and care staff, shortages of ventilators, misguided political leaders, shortages of testing resources, confusing lockdown instructions and the virus running riot though unprepared and defenceless populations.
One might have thought that countries with later infections, the UK, the USA etc, might have used their delay to prepare more thoroughly, to be ready for the fight, to have resources available and to have managed to have kept the worst of this outbreak at bay. Might have thought, but it isn't that way in practice.
And yet there is this example South Korea which was infected early, has followed test test and quarantine and has not had a lockdown yet they appear to be the only country in the developed world that has followed this strategy, despite it apparently seems to be the least destructive strategy that is actually working, leaving China aside for the moment.
So in the UK we have a lockdown, have largely given up on test and trace, didn't anyhow develop the testing resources to be able to do it, and are now stating 20,000 fatalities would be a good result. And the USA where the infections now seem out of control and the expected fatalities it seems will dwarf the ROW results in part because of zero preparations.
And around the world there are the same issues, shortages of PPE for medical and care staff, shortages of ventilators, misguided political leaders, shortages of testing resources, confusing lockdown instructions and the virus running riot though unprepared and defenceless populations.
One might have thought that countries with later infections, the UK, the USA etc, might have used their delay to prepare more thoroughly, to be ready for the fight, to have resources available and to have managed to have kept the worst of this outbreak at bay. Might have thought, but it isn't that way in practice.
