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Anyone got any ideas/wild speculation as to how this will play out? Further break up of EU? Rising anti-Chinese racism on mainland Europe?
Everyone eventually realises that if our problems are global now the solutions have to be as well and tackling this properly would have required proper international cooperation from the start, sharing equipment knowledge and skills moving them to where they were most needed - so out of the ashes will arise a new era. Lol.
 
Everyone eventually realises that if our problems are global now the solutions have to be as well and tackling this properly would have required proper international cooperation from the start, sharing equipment knowledge and skills moving them to where they were most needed - so out of the ashes will arise a new era. Lol.

Relax. Have a fag
 
What is your source for this?
Okily dokily. I'm home, let me rustle around in the background for a moment...apologies for the delay

It takes around 1.5-3 hours to cremate someone. According to....

It takes a crematorium on average 1.5-3 hours to process a body, so the total number of dead being processed by the 14 crematoria of the Hankou funeral home could be between 112 and 224 per day.

So, that's 1 funeral home with 14 furnaces working (capacity of 30)
from here

Here's another funeral home with 24 ovens lit.
How many people in China have fallen victim to the coronavirus to date? One hint comes from how busy Wuhan’s 14 crematoriums have suddenly become.

One crematorium manager told a Hong Kong reporter that,in normal times, his 24 ovens were lit five days a week for four hours at a time. Now, he said, they have so many corpses to deal with that all the ovens are going around the clock. This suggests the body count must be in the thousands.

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Social media users said there are 84 incinerators located at seven funeral homes across Wuhan, with a capacity to perform 2,016 cremations in any 24-hour period.
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You can see how easily these numbers can stack up. Even when you remove the average mortality rate and ovens not working. (I did read somewhere but I can't find it now, that it was around 300 a day in Wuhan, a city of 11 million seems plausible.)

So if those ovens were on full tilt for several weeks or longer, you can see how it's difficult to believe that the death toll in China is even close to 3000. That's 2 days worth.
 
'Idiots' deliberately coughing on people in sickening 'corona challenge' across Dublin
Awesome graphic for that article.

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We're living in an age of morons.

Up to 5,000 students will be allowed to return to Liberty University’s campus after school officials confirmed the conservative Christian school based in Lynchburg, Virginia, will reopen this week.

Liberty’s president, Jerry Falwell Jr, defied nationwide calls for mandatory school closures, inviting students to return amid a worsening coronavirus pandemic. Falwell is a major and vocal backer of Donald Trump and evangelicals are a core part of the president’s support base.
At Liberty residence halls will reopen, and despite most classes moving online, faculty members were directed to report to campus.

“I think we, in a way, are protecting the students by having them on campus together,” Falwell said. Falwell then invoked a since disproven theory that young people “don’t have conditions that put them at risk”.
Falwell, one of Trump’s most loyal supporters, called the decision to reopen a “responsibility to students” to “enjoy the room and board they’ve already paid for”.

 
This is really upsetting so discretion advised if you are feeling wobbly. Over the last few days I have increasingly become worried about people dying at home, like this, or alone. :(


We are already talking about it in the UK thread. Not that its easy to find words to talk about it.
 
Okily dokily. I'm home, let me rustle around in the background for a moment...apologies for the delay

It takes around 1.5-3 hours to cremate someone. According to....



So, that's 1 funeral home with 14 furnaces working (capacity of 30)
from here

Here's another funeral home with 24 ovens lit.


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see also


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You can see how easily these numbers can stack up. Even when you remove the average mortality rate and ovens not working. (I did read somewhere but I can't find it now, that it was around 300 a day in Wuhan, a city of 11 million seems plausible.)

So if those ovens were on full tilt for several weeks or longer, you can see how it's difficult to believe that the death toll in China is even close to 3000. That's 2 days worth.
Hi xes you did do some digging indeed.
I will read the articles.. they sound interesting..
 
In Italy, many victims of Covid-19 are dying in hospital isolation without any family or friends. Visits are banned because the risk of contagion is too high.
While health authorities say the virus cannot be transmitted posthumously, it can still survive on clothes for a few hours. This means corpses are being sealed away immediately.
"So many families ask us if they can see the body one last time. But it's forbidden," says Massimo Mancastroppa, an undertaker in Cremona.
  • The dead cannot be buried in their finest and favourite clothes. Instead, it is the grim anonymity of a hospital gown.
But Massimo is doing what he can. "We put the clothes the family gives us on top of the corpse, as if they were dressed," he says. "A shirt on top, a skirt below."

heartbreaking and very moving
 
I thought the reason soap was so good was that the virus had a lipid membrane around it which soap breaks down? Or have I misunderstood?
 
If there is any consolation amongst such bleakness, it’s that the age profile of the refugee population likely reduces the risk of death, although without access to medical help (ventilation etc.) it’s still a risk.

That’s a far point. It may be that if there’s an outbreak in one of the island camps the biggest risk is to the local Greek population. The permanent residents on most islands, and in most Greek villages, are disproportionately elderly.
 
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while i certainly agree that the government of the PRC has botched the response to the spread of the coronavirus for "reasons of state" and that this has led to deaths (as did the governments in DC and in Moscow), be wary of the Post, as it's a murdoch paper and a rightwing mouthpiece. notice the phrase "china's culture of lies", which is the line trump is pushing to fob his responsibility elsewhere.
 
*awaits reports of people at home overdosing on vast volumes of Vit C:

Seriously sick coronavirus patients in New York state’s largest hospital system are being given massive doses of vitamin C — based on promising reports that it’s helped people in hard-hit China, The Post has learned.

Dr. Andrew G. Weber, a pulmonologist and critical-care specialist affiliated with two Northwell Health facilities on Long Island, said his intensive-care patients with the coronavirus immediately receive 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C.

Identical amounts of the powerful antioxidant are then readministered three or four times a day, he said.

Each dose is more than 16 times the National Institutes of Health’s daily recommended dietary allowance of vitamin C, which is just 90 milligrams for adult men and 75 milligrams for adult women.

 
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