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South Korea, China and Singapore are among the Asian countries facing a second coronavirus wave, spurred by people importing it from outside.

Right, but there is an incredibly slick quarantine operation going on in China right now. Although people (like me) are entering the country, we're not free to enter the community or mingle with people. We are sent directly to isolation centers and tested on arrival. This is a good, sensible thing -- I'm not complaining. I think at this point it's what all countries need to do if they want to stay on top of cases, if they're already engaged in a rigorous testing process. I guess it would be kind of pointless in the UK, since they're not interested in testing people with symptoms anyway.
 
Not read this nyt article properly yet, in middle of something. Just popping it here in case of paywall. Seems they have quite high proportions of hospitalisation among relatively young people. Lot to unwrap though.

Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.


New C.D.C. data showed that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were aged 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.


Selfies outside Columbia University’s library on Wednesday. New C.D.C. numbers indicate that young adults are not immune from infection.


Juan Arredondo for The New York Times


By Pam Belluck


March 18, 2020


American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States.


The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.


“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.”


The findings served to underscore an appeal issued Wednesday at a White House briefing by Dr. Deborah Birx, a physician and State Department official who is a leader of the administration’s coronavirus task force. Citing similar reports of young adults in Italy and in France being hospitalized and needing intensive care, Dr. Birx implored the millennial generation to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others.


“You have the potential then to spread it to someone who does have a condition that none of us knew about, and cause them to have a disastrous outcome,” Dr. Birx said, addressing young people.


In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.


“Younger people may feel more confident about their ability to withstand a virus like this,” said Dr. Christopher Carlsten, head of respiratory medicine at the University of British Columbia. But, he said, “if that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection.”


The new data represents a preliminary look at the first significant wave of cases in the United States that does not include people who returned to the country from Wuhan, China, or from Japan, the authors reported. Between Feb. 12 and March 16, there were 4,226 such cases reported to the C.D.C., the study says.


The ages were reported for 2,449 of those patients, the C.D.C. said, and of those, 6 percent were 85 and older, and 25 percent were between 65 and 84. Twenty-nine percent were aged 20 to 44.


The age groups of 55 to 64 and 45 to 54 each included 18 percent of the total. Only 5 percent of cases were diagnosed in people 19 and younger.


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The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.


But experts said that even if younger people in the report were medical outliers, the fact that they were taking up hospital beds and space in intensive care units was significant.


And these more serious cases represent the leading edge of how the pandemic is rapidly unfolding in the United States, showing that adults of all ages are susceptible and should be concerned about protecting their own health, and not transmitting the virus to others.


The youngest age group, people 19 and under, accounted for less than 1 percent of the hospitalizations, and none of the I.C.U. admissions or deaths. This dovetails with data from other countries so far. This week, however, the largest study to date of pediatric cases in China found that a small segment of very young children may need hospitalization for very serious symptoms, and that one 14-year-old boy in China died from the virus.


Of the 44 people whose deaths were recorded in the report, 15 were age 85 or older and 20 were between the ages of 65 to 84. There were nine deaths among adults age 20 to 64, the report said.


Some of the patients in the study are still sick, the authors noted, so the results of their cases are unclear. Data was missing for a number of the cases, “which likely resulted in an underestimation of the outcomes,” the authors wrote. Because of the missing data, the authors presented percentages of hospitalizations, I.C.U. admissions and deaths as a range. The report also says that the limited testing available in the United States so far makes this report only an early snapshot of the crisis.


Still, the authors wrote, “these preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including I.C.U. admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with Covid-19.”


Roni Caryn Rabin contributed reporting.
 
I know Arnold Schwarzenegger was quite a dick in his younger years but I’m loving him at the moment with his regular video updates urging people to isolate and ignore the twats trying to play down or deny the severity of the pandemic. And the light relief of seeing him playing indoors with his donkeys is much welcome :)

 
A list I saw yesterday...

A list I've seen today:

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Here is a provisional list (this has not been confirmed by the government yet).

  • Clinical staff employed by the NHS
  • Teachers (this includes those in a teaching role, such as nursery staff)
  • Police officers and community support officers, including civilian police staff in front-line positions
  • Prison officers and some prison service staff who are in specified areas
  • Probation officers, including trainees
  • LA or NHS social workers
  • Uniformed staff below Principal level in the fire and rescue service
  • Armed forces personnel and some civilian MoD staff
  • Highways Agency traffic officers
  • LA environmental health officers
  • Delivery drivers
 
Our schools has sent a similar list, though it includes all NHS workers, care staff, supermarket workers and critical infrastructure workers.
 
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Since there are now attempts to keep this forum somewhat tidy, can we avoid putting UK-specific stuff on this thread when there are more appropriate locations for it, especially stuff that involves the politics, or peoples own UK personal situations?
 
I could only stand a few moments of the thing talking, he looks so empty and a husk of a torn corn on cob, before switching off. He knows nothing and lies, the whitehouse staff will roll back everything it just said.
 
I haven't seen the Italy days numbers yet but I overhear a broadcaster saying that total deaths in Italy now exceed China. Can that be right? Yup it is:
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Unless you're a qualified doctor, I don't think you can assume anything of the sort.

The qualified doctors do not have their protocols in place in spite of China CDC's guidebook.



Unfortunately my brother and his partner both have symptoms and are self-isolating. I have asked them to contact trace, but their journeys to work over the past 14 days are unfortunately untraceable.

Prison riots in France Prison d'Argentan: une quinzaine de détenus montent sur le toit pour protester contre la levée des parloirs

French police have given thousands of fines for rule breakers, people going around at night etc

Yesterday was a significant day in China as no new cases were recorded in Wuhan and Hubei, fireworks etc.
The media is full of the threat of imported cases, strange political stuff flying around about this being an American coronavirus

Rafiq Hariri Airport Beirut got totally shut down, smaller airports will carry on with cargo transfers as usual.

There's a massive social media campaign in Colombia to shut down El Dorado Bogota for the next two months.

Basque country giving deaths by age:

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UK can't make up lack of respirators according to manufacturers.


Netanyahu just gave a speech strengthening quarantine measures along the lines of no one can leave home unless there's a reason except pharmacies and food.

Bit of a whirlwind.
 
Right, but there is an incredibly slick quarantine operation going on in China right now. Although people (like me) are entering the country, we're not free to enter the community or mingle with people. We are sent directly to isolation centers and tested on arrival. This is a good, sensible thing -- I'm not complaining. I think at this point it's what all countries need to do if they want to stay on top of cases, if they're already engaged in a rigorous testing process. I guess it would be kind of pointless in the UK, since they're not interested in testing people with symptoms anyway.

Hotels have been requisitioned and are guarded by police. I can only hope that serious quarantine is instituted here and elsewhere in Europe.
 
8,500 cases and 91 deaths

That's South Korea.
 
Watch out everyone 02 are watching apparently. Not big brother related but just seen them carting off someone in Italy who tried to board a train. 😟
 
yeah....I'll get used to the new bits as I go along. (it very different in here)

Hope you're well fella.
 
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Another bad sign for there and most other places:

New York City mayor on risk to medical supplies
More from the US...
Bill de Blasio says his city is just two to three weeks away from running out of critical medical supplies.
Three million N-95 masks, 50 million surgical masks, 15,000 ventilators, 25 million surgical gowns and 25 million gloves are needed "by early in April", New York's mayor said, "for us to ensure that our healthcare system, public and private, can bear the brunt of the coronavirus crisis."
The cry for help comes as New York City reports a total of 3,615 confirmed Covid-19 cases, and 22 deaths.
"This is going to be one of the most difficult moments in New York City history," de Blasio said.
De Blasio yesterday called upon the US military to intervene in the coronavirus outbreak in his city
"I want their medical teams, I want their logistical support... the only force in America that can do that effectively and quickly," he said.

From BBC live updates page at 21:38 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51955509
 
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