Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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little_legs
Поехали!
It's a good job that Laura the boot licker is here to help all of us see the light.
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Two or five years is certainly too much when your parents are of the age that there's no guarantee they'll still be around in that time, regardless of Covid. I think people will just start doing the pre-quarantining thing, with varying degrees of rigour. Maybe it'll be a way of getting people to spend a bit longer doing visits, travelling a bit slower, instead of rushed fly-bys though.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I read recently that thousands of German POWs were put in the fields for fruit and crop picking after the Second World War .
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
Honestly please don't let my pessimistic/nihilistic mood today about everything get you down - even if we have to live with this thing for decades we will not be without family contact forever - we'll develop protocols for minimising risk, whether that involves more accurate spot testing (which I suspect may be a more realistic short term hope than a vaccine) repeated over a few days or isolation measures or hygiene protocols for conducting visits, along with contact tracing and knowing more about the virus (seasonality etc). That is (short of letting the thing run rampant and killing millions, which I don't think most of us want) kind of the worst case scenario - it won't be never seeing family and friends again, it will be taking precautions to reduce risk of spread.
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GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Very sad:
Station ticket office worker dies with Covid-19 after being spat at
The Late Belly Mujinga
Anyone who saw Ms Mujinga being spat on at London's Victoria Station on 22 March 2020 can contact British Transport Police by texting 61016 or calling 0800 40 50 40 quoting reference 359 of 11/05/20.
Disturbing:
Taxi driver died after fare-dodger spat at him and said he had coronavirus
(Source: As stated in image)
The Late Trevor Belle, who had taken fares up until the day of the attack on 22 March 2020 and was widely acknowledged for having one of the cleanest cabs on the rank, had taken every health precaution while working before the incident on West Ham Lane in Stratford.
He reported the incident to a nearby police van, and he was told the case was not pursuing over a £9 fare.
He did not work after the attack, and four days later started to suffer coronavirus symptoms. Over the course of a few days,
his condition worsened and he struggled to breathe. He was later taken away by paramedics, which was the last time his family saw him alive.
As soon as you like, but be certain to wash your hands!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Sounds a bit like confirming the obvious to me. Do we learn anything useful from this?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Well now we're all highly qualified epidemiologists maybe not.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yup. Classic availability cascade. Easy to get pictures of two dozen people on a beach, impossible to find pictures of thousands of people staying at home.
So what the govt are saying is it is 'essential' to travel in a car with someone who has Coronavirus plus a child for 260 miles, therefore putting yourself and child at risk, to be near one's extended family so they can bring you food...REALLY!!! If he needed childcare one assumes the child was placed with the extended family having spent probably 4 hours breathing the virus with the risk this entails and this is acceptable???? FFS. It will be interesting to see who is put out to front his tonight...they really are a bunch of self serving bastards.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The Cummings thing is an absolutely disgusting shitshow. And how the hell is this even framed as a breach (a potential one as that) of travelling in lockdown rules. He's travelled the breadth of the country with the fucking virus, knowingly! 
Or is this yet another one of the brilliant reverse psychology stints, because people were too afraid to come out of lockdown, so that we now all say "to hell with the consequences"? It makes me so angry.
On another note, just had a little look how things are going in Germany, and posting this here because I guess experiences are pertinent to UK emerging from lockdown. Quick google and two headlines of the day: 7 infected after restaurant visit in the north of Germany, now 50 contact persons in quarantine and rising as more potential contacts are attempted to be notifed and isolated. 40 people infected after a religious service in Frankfurt. Both the restaurant and the church claim that distancing and hygiene rules were followed, which I guess, they would say and it might not be true. But it might be true, and it might just go to show how massive a role aerosol transmission does play, and that just distancing to minimise droplet infection and hand-hygiene to minimise contact transmission (which in my understanding is a fairly low risk anyway) does precious little in enclosed spaces.
Or is this yet another one of the brilliant reverse psychology stints, because people were too afraid to come out of lockdown, so that we now all say "to hell with the consequences"? It makes me so angry.On another note, just had a little look how things are going in Germany, and posting this here because I guess experiences are pertinent to UK emerging from lockdown. Quick google and two headlines of the day: 7 infected after restaurant visit in the north of Germany, now 50 contact persons in quarantine and rising as more potential contacts are attempted to be notifed and isolated. 40 people infected after a religious service in Frankfurt. Both the restaurant and the church claim that distancing and hygiene rules were followed, which I guess, they would say and it might not be true. But it might be true, and it might just go to show how massive a role aerosol transmission does play, and that just distancing to minimise droplet infection and hand-hygiene to minimise contact transmission (which in my understanding is a fairly low risk anyway) does precious little in enclosed spaces.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
My questions (not targeted at you, elbows - thanks for sharing the info
):How come this is available privately, before via the NHS? (What's the process that means this is possible.)
Why is it available now? (I'm assuming for cash, but if there are any 'good' reasons for this being available via this route, it would be good to hear.)
Is it worth it?
This is old news, from a behavioural psychology perspective. It’s what the whole nudge unit was founded on. Their first success was in writing to people to tell them the high rate at which other people were paying their taxes, because it was found to encourage recipients of such a letter to pay their own taxes.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
The Cummings thing is an absolutely disgusting shitshow. And how the hell is this even framed as a breach (a potential one as that) of travelling in lockdown rules. He's travelled the breadth of the country with the fucking virus, knowingly!
On another note, just had a little look how things are going in Germany, and posting this here because I guess experiences are pertinent to UK emerging from lockdown. Quick google and two headlines of the day: 7 infected after restaurant visit in the north of Germany, now 50 contact persons in quarantine and rising as more potential contacts are attempted to be notifed and isolated. 40 people infected after a religious service in Frankfurt. Both the restaurant and the church claim that distancing and hygiene rules were followed, which I guess, they would say and it might not be true. But it might be true, and it might just go to show how massive a role aerosol transmission does play, and that just distancing to minimise droplet infection and hand-hygiene to minimise contact transmission (which in my understanding is a fairly low risk anyway) does precious little in enclosed spaces.
Plus risk of a crash calling out essential services, plus risk of breakdown calling out AA for example. As we've been repeatedly told for people who didn't have the virus.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Evidence is useful, even if it's for what we all already know is the case. Plus, we humans often get a cause or mechanism badly wrong when we rely on intuition and introspection (which can then lead us down all sorts of useless or dangerous paths). It's worth checking things.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
My questions (not targeted at you, elbows - thanks for sharing the info
How come this is available privately, before via the NHS? (What's the process that means this is possible.)
Why is it available now? (I'm assuming for cash, but if there are any 'good' reasons for this being available via this route, it would be good to hear.)
Is it worth it?
It's much harder for it to get official PHE/NHS approval for them to use than to be sold privately after being approved for that. You can get them via the NHS, but antibody testing of the general public has limited value at the moment given what we know about immunity. It is being done for population sampling though I think.
It's available now as it's been developed and there's a market for it. Not sure what you mean more than that?
Within the realms of its claimed accuracy, it depends. It can tell you whether you have had the virus, that's all. Anything about immunity is currently not known for sure.
Full disclosure: I bought one recently from a private provider than sells them to NHS staff as less than cost. My reasoning was nearly 100% curiosity, I was working in a hospital (before infection control and social distancing got strict) with plenty of CV+ patients and for a couple of weeks I had 7-10 days of a cough and feeling very mildly unwell. Either way the result won't change what I do social distancing wise.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No idea tbh. Suspect not, it's a small lab in London doing the test I got. Be all sorts of data protection stuff involved, and I didn't see any of those kind of disclaimers or 'tick this box for your...' bits in the paperwork!
ginger_syn
Her Insanity laughs under pressure...👾
Getting a bit snippy now
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Jesus - they're explicitly changing the guidance, in order to protect Cummings.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
For ONE man, one arrogant, entitled cunt. For him, fuck everyone else. I know single parents, stuck in flats with no outdoor space, with more than one young child - who've observed this to the fucking letter.
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