Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[ViolentPanda]

Are there any corbynistas on this thread?

To Markymarrk/whoever, anyone who doesn't condemn Corbyn is a "Corbynista".
It shows how barren his politics is, that he finds it hard to conceive that non-Corbynites can have principled objections to the Red Tory posturings of "Sensible Labour/The Maquis/The Resistance/The Chuka 'n' Dan Show.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

To Markymarrk/whoever, anyone who doesn't condemn Corbyn is a "Corbynista".
It shows how barren his politics is, that he finds it hard to conceive that non-Corbynites can have principled objections to the Red Tory posturings of "Sensible Labour/The Maquis/The Resistance/The Chuka 'n' Dan Show.

Mind you, many of us, including me and I think you, are rather to the left of Corbyn.

 

[DotCommunist]

The Chuka 'n' Dan Show.

I had a ticket to that that said 'featuring Simon Danczuk on the ukelele' but for some reason he has been removed from the program. Such a shame.

 

[teqniq]

Accusations of anti-Semitism are being abused by Corbyn's enemies

 

[MarkyMarrk]

An ICM poll has got Labour drawing level. I don't know where that comes from in the sense that it wasn't expected. ICM are the only pollsters not to change methodology since the general election, but I'm sure that Corbynistas will suspend their disbelief in polls temporarily and clear ICM of any doubt for the next four years.

 

[butchersapron]

Great timing Ian.

On the other hand, even if the absolute level of the lead in this poll is off, there has been a significant change in the lead since last month’s poll, and one that is consistent with the ComRes poll at the weekend. Sure the absolute levels of the Tory lead in the two polls is very different (because ComRes have adopted a very different turnout model to ICM), but the trend in the two polls was the same – ComRes had the Tory lead dropping by five points, ICM had the Tory lead dropping by seven points.

Even if there is reason to doubt the size of the lead in this poll or the ComRes poll, the common trend appears interesting – could the Conservative infighting and division over Europe be damaging their support?

 

[killer b]

ICM themselves are very clear that they think its an anomaly. Seeing how uniform the polls have been, I cant imagine many people will disagree with them at this point.

 

[butchersapron]

ICM themselves are very clear that they think its an anomaly. Seeing how uniform the polls have been, I cant imagine many people will disagree with them at this point.

The quote above suggests that there isn't really a uniformity - or that if there is it's around a tory loss and labour gain.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

ICM themselves are very clear that they think its an anomaly. Seeing how uniform the polls have been, I cant imagine many people will disagree with them at this point.

Makes sense. Could be the start of a trend though. As I said, ICM not changing their methodology suggests they're repeating the mistakes that led almost everyone on the far left to believe Labour would walk it.

I would be dumbfounded if it reflected actual public opinion, despite the state of the Tories.

 

[butchersapron]

Makes sense. Could be the start of a trend though.

Of what?

 

[magneze]

Full communism.

 

[two sheds]

More anomalous polls.

 

[MarkyMarrk]

The left is failing the Jewish people again: A Place and Name: the Left is Failing the Jewish People Again

 

[belboid]

The left is failing the Jewish people again: A Place and Name: the Left is Failing the Jewish People Again

Fuck off

 

[butchersapron]

The left is failing the Jewish people again: A Place and Name: the Left is Failing the Jewish People Again

Why have you linked to this? Have you anything to say?

 

[MarkyMarrk]

The Vicky kirby stuff is an outrage. I find it hard to believe anyone in their right mind would disagree.

Or should Isis attack Israel? Is that OK to say in the Labour Party now?

 

[MarkyMarrk]

Lolzers I have so many people on ignore I didn't realise some had replied. Considered replies from the far left as well.

 

[killer b]

Kirby was investigated & warned in 2014. Corbyn was elected to leader in 2015. What responsibility does he bear for this situation?

 

[newbie]

The left is failing the Jewish people again: A Place and Name: the Left is Failing the Jewish People Again

by and large i welcome your interventions, even if i don't agree with them, but this is disgraceful. What possible motivation do you have for posting this drivel; what cesspits do you trawl to find such stuff?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Makes sense. Could be the start of a trend though. As I said, ICM not changing their methodology suggests they're repeating the mistakes that led almost everyone on the far left to believe Labour would walk it..

you keep repeating this. Who? If you look on here most people thought it would be a hung parliament. And even tories were surprised by their outright majority.

You're making this stuff up aren't you?

 

[ReasonableMan]

ICM themselves are very clear that they think its an anomaly. Seeing how uniform the polls have been, I cant imagine many people will disagree with them at this point.

One would hope its an anomaly - if it is not, it spells a very dark future for Britain's proud tradition of democracy and liberalism.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

One would hope its an anomaly - if it is not, it spells a very dark future for Britain's proud tradition of democracy and liberalism.

Why?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

p.s. the irony free use of 'dark future' and 'Britain's proud tradition' is very good.

 

[teqniq]

Lolzers I have so many people on ignore I didn't realise some had replied...

So why bother coming here, or is it in the hopes that if you repeat your shtick often enough someone will listen? Evidently other people's opinions don't seem to loom large in your calculations.

 

[stethoscope]

Lolzers I have so many people on ignore I didn't realise some had replied. Considered replies from the far left as well.

The left as well as far left tbf, it's just that what constitutes 'the left' for New Labourites seems to have shifted to somewhere around the centre.

Though, you may want to ask yourself, why have I got all these people on ignore? It couldn't possibly be me.

 

[Frank Selged]

The left as well as far left tbf, it's just that what constitutes 'the left' for New Labourites seems to have shifted to somewhere around the centre.

Not just for new Labourites, but society as a whole. New Labour was merely responding to the cultural and political shift caused by the victory of neo-liberal economics. When the latter was left in tatters in 2008-9, the extent of that victory was shown in that the left had no coherent response and only a minority of the western population demanded or even casually sought an alternative.

 

[Pickman's model]

New Labour was merely responding to the cultural and political shift caused by the victory of neo-liberal economics.

and when did this victory occur?

 

[Frank Selged]

and when did this victory occur?

Are you fucking serious?

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you fucking serious?

yes. i am fucking serious. now, don't answer this with another question, it makes you look stupid.

 

[Frank Selged]

yes. i am fucking serious.

I'd put you on ignore if you weren't so amusing. In a nutter on the bus kind of way.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd put you on ignore if you weren't so amusing. In a nutter on the bus kind of way.

now, when did this victory occur?