Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[Plumdaff]

So should he have formulated all his policy by now or gone on a cycling holiday? Or formulated policy on his cycling holiday? Maybe a bit silly, long weekend on the Broads perhaps?

 

[killer b]

Recess is over. No breaks available.

 

[belboid]

is this the first announcement of how Labour will vote on a bill?

The Tories' benefit cap should be completely scrapped, Jeremy Corbyn says

 

[kebabking]

Recess is over. No breaks available.

he should be able to grab a long weekend, even without a recess - which he should do and be quite honest about why he's doing so. i'm 26 years younger than him, pretty fit, i've not run myself ragged for 4 months, and i need a weekend with the phone switched off and the kids at Grannies every so often.

while i would not expect a backbench MP to have a masterplan with every policy in every area of government comprehensively written up, i would expect an MP of his experience to have a broad idea of their priorities/concerns in each dept and how they wanted to see them fixed - but yes, in areas that particularly interest that MP, i'd expect them to have a pretty detailed view.

he's also got people working for him, his victory has been on the cards for several months, and a racing certainty for at least two. were none of these people thinking 'and what happens afterwards...?'

 

[treelover]

CH news asked Corbyn whether he was "expected to turn up at the BOB event", they seemed to demean his genuine sentiments about the pilots, etc, expecting him to not care. Why are they acting like this?

 

[killer b]

Why are they acting like this?

really?

 

[treelover]

I meant 'liberal' CH4, at least on foreign policy, refugees, etc.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I meant 'liberal' CH4, at least on foreign policy, refugees, etc.

They all serve the same shite up

 

[killer b]

I meant 'liberal' CH4, at least on foreign policy, refugees, etc.

Corbyn isn't a Liberal?

 

[treelover]

Since his victory, 30,000 people have joined Labour,

Re-tweeted on his site, must be doing something right.

 

[ViolentPanda]

He does avoid it. His policy on welfare so far is: I'll minimise the need for it, and its impact on society. That's not a policy on welfare.

It's a policy position - a thing that you arrive at, and from which position you construct the details of your policy, like what occasionally used to happen in the Labour Party before Kinnock started the trend of selling the party's ringpiece to big business via the medium of "independent" think-tanks.

 

[Fez909]

It's a policy position - a thing that you arrive at, and from which position you construct the details of your policy, like what occasionally used to happen in the Labour Party before Kinnock started the trend of selling the party's ringpiece to big business via the medium of "independent" think-tanks.

I don't think I agree. If an NHS policy was we'll make gyms free and healthy food subsidised, would you say that's a NHS policy? It would certainly impact the NHS, but so do a lot of things. It wouldn't be an NHS policy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If I was in Corbyn's position I'd try and avoid getting mired in a discussion about welfare, it's a toxic area at the moment.

I disagree. I think taking a strong broad position on social security won't mire Corbyn, it'll give him a sound basis from which to proceed, including regarding costing out any future plans (an angle on which the Tories will be salivating about attacking him on).

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think I agree. If an NHS policy was we'll make gyms free and healthy food subsidised, would you say that's a NHS policy? It would certainly impact the NHS, but so do a lot of things. It wouldn't be an NHS policy.

If the NHS were the funding body, it'd be an NHS policy, as has been the system under which gym memberships have been prescribed over the last 10 or so years.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bollocks to that, take it on directly. Make a moral case for it. Point out the actual scale of the welfare claims compared to the state pension and lost tax revenues. Oppose.

Absolutely! And maybe, if the opposition is sustained, the dominant discourse on "welfare" will shift back toward the idea that having a decent and comprehensive "safety net" is both sensible and rational.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't think I agree. If an NHS policy was we'll make gyms free and healthy food subsidised, would you say that's a NHS policy? It would certainly impact the NHS, but so do a lot of things. It wouldn't be an NHS policy.

It is possible to get free access to local authority gyms if you're on certain benefits, but I'm not sure where the money comes from for this or how widely available it is. It's definitely not NHS funded though.

 

[Fez909]

If the NHS were the funding body, it'd be an NHS policy, as has been the system under which gym memberships have been prescribed over the last 10 or so years.

Sorry, I phrased that wrong. I'm meant if it wasn't funded by the NHS. Just as the minimum wage isn't set by the DWP. So by increasing wages through a higher minimum wage, it's not a 'welfare' policy. Welfare policies come through the DWP, usually.

I know this is all semantics, but the thing is he's made no promises to reverse the bedroom tax, to halt cuts to benefits, etc. He's made promises to repeal the trade union bill, and that hasn't even passed yet.

 

[fishfinger]

No it's not.

Homeopathy - NHS Choices

You didn't even read that link, did you?

It is available on the NHS?
Homeopathy is not available on the NHS in all areas of the country, but there are several NHS homeopathic hospitals and some GP practices also offer homeopathic treatment.

Homeopathy - NHS Choices

Although it's a shame that homeopathy's still available in some areas.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why not higher wages and tax credits, a move towards a basic income, not a move away

In reality, as you and Corbyn both know, it's going to be higher wages and tax credits for a while yet. That doesn't mean that eventually eliminating tax credits because you've eliminated the need for them isn't a good idea.
I also think that Corbyn needs a little while to get all his financial ducks lined up in a row with McDonnell, so avoiding blithely making spending commitments before that's been done is good sense.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

You didn't even read that link, did you?



Homeopathy - NHS Choices

Although it's a shame that homeopathy's still available in some areas.

Actually I was reading it this morning before the thread. I remembered it being so damning of homeopathy that I could not imagine the NHS taking it on. Then I read "not available on the NHS" and thought 'phew'. Later I saw this thread and brought it back up. I guess I must have switched off before the ". . . everywhere"

 

[Sirena]

You didn't even read that link, did you?



Homeopathy - NHS Choices

Although it's a shame that homeopathy's still available in some areas.

It's available because people ask for it. It's about choice.

 

[fishfinger]

It's available because people ask for it. It's about choice.

No. I asked for a pony but didn't get one

 

[killer b]

'choice'

 

[twentythreedom]

Carole Malone putting the boot in on Sky News about him not singing the National Anthem, and with his top button undone

No surprise there but fucking hell it's been shocking to see what a kicking he's getting from the media in general

 

[Sirena]

Nicely written piece. The tide is beginning to turn.....

Corbyn victory energises the alienated and alienates the establishment | Gary Younge

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It's available because people ask for it. It's about choice.

In the same way they don't give out drugs that have not undergone clinical trails, they should not offer a medicine that has never been proven to have any effect whatsoever. What if everyone asked for waffles suggesting it might cure aids? They wouldn't refer you to an NHS waffle house. The NHS website clearly states the pricibles of homeopathy go against what we know scientifically, and that it doesn't work any better than a placebo.

 

[Sirena]

In the same way they don't give out drugs that have not undergone clinical trails, they should not offer a medicine that has never been proven to have any effect whatsoever. What if everyone asked for waffles suggesting it might cure aids? They wouldn't refer you to an NHS waffle house. The NHS website clearly states the pricibles of homeopathy go against what we know scientifically, and that it doesn't work any better than a placebo.

I was simply making the point that it is available. Your opinion doesn't really matter in this instance.

 

[killer b]

You said 'its about choice' - I think its reasonable to challenge such a claim

 

[ska invita]

He doesn't give a fuck about presentation, and has told the media to go fuck themselves. Whether that's a tactic that'll work remains to be seen, but he's not about to scrub up now.

agree... my point is he can do that still - doesnt need to scrub up, just have a nice bit of R&R after what was a grueling election campaign and come back a little more rested, calmer and stronger.

meanwhile......

 

[treelover]

can posters start a new thread on alternative medicine, etc?