agricola
a genuine importer of owls
She was really good on Newsnight on Monday as well, politely pointing out the (many) flaws in an Ayesha Hazarika piece of the "Corbyn Hates Women" / Harman / pink limo kind.
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She was really good on Newsnight on Monday as well, politely pointing out the (many) flaws in an Ayesha Hazarika piece of the "Corbyn Hates Women" / Harman / pink limo kind.
gosub
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Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Not only does he hate women, he's also too London-centric now apparently: Jeremy Corbyn accused of opening up north-south divide in the Labour party 
What a bastard.
ETA: Funnily enough the actual quote is a lot milder than the headline...
What a bastard.
ETA: Funnily enough the actual quote is a lot milder than the headline...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I suspect that Corbyn is taking the view that the media-consuming public will get sick to their back teeth with the bullshit, and that some will vote with their feet. Falling circulation figures and viewer/listener numbers will motivate even the most right-wing media barons.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Hes doing well - pity he didn't have in anyone in the Tower to top
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
Ah some Co-op car park beckons......
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barded steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
Ah some Co-op car park beckons......
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
I'd never heard of Progress before today, so I looked em up on twitter. Many retweets much like this:
Not right wing, not conservative, but socialist. Ok, so I go to their web site to have a look round, and found this article from the recently published list.
Radicalism is not the same as anti-capitalism | Progress | News and debate from the progressive community
Forgetting for a second the obvious false dichotomy of "Either capitalist OR everything state owned" with no mention of co-ops and unions and forgetting the the state can own nothing and it could still not be "responsible capitalism", how does the above tweeter bridge the gap between calling himself a socialist, whilst clearly believing in small-c capitalism?
The doublethink is unbelievable really. Genuinely perplexed.
John McDonnell is spot on. For a group built on socialist values, anyone belonging to this group would be to the right of that group.
Not right wing, not conservative, but socialist. Ok, so I go to their web site to have a look round, and found this article from the recently published list.
Radicalism is not the same as anti-capitalism | Progress | News and debate from the progressive community
Forgetting for a second the obvious false dichotomy of "Either capitalist OR everything state owned" with no mention of co-ops and unions and forgetting the the state can own nothing and it could still not be "responsible capitalism", how does the above tweeter bridge the gap between calling himself a socialist, whilst clearly believing in small-c capitalism?
The doublethink is unbelievable really. Genuinely perplexed.
John McDonnell is spot on. For a group built on socialist values, anyone belonging to this group would be to the right of that group.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Indeed. There's a manufactured controversy of some sort almost every time there's a reshuffle, Cabinet or Shadow, and it's always forgotten immediately. This one feel exaggerated because of the Get Corbyn onslaught, and the fact that Cameron doesn't move his pawns around as often as the previous few PMs (didn't Blair do it several times a year?), but it's not that different.
it isn't doublethink (although no doubt some of them are in denial about their actual politics), it's rhetoric: ensuring it's they who're thought of as the reasonable centre/left part of the party, and those criticising them hysterical, hateful trotskyists.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but they can't be the centre of the party as there aren't that many people to the right of them in the labour party.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
pretty much the first thing i was ever taught in economics was that there are no pure market economies or command economies but varying degrees of mixed economy: and that was round the time i was 12 or 13. surprised yer man doesn't know that.
Of course. But it isn't reality they're trying to put across.
gosub
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Reading between the lines, what happened what happened was a barrage from both sides over what was going to happen in a reshuffle. Journos have already admitted getting the Benn will be sacked stories from Livingston, Abbot and Milne. As its over Xmas and there was not a lot going on officially, the Blairites had a chance to counter plot....A threat of one out all out if Benn et all went. Much arguing....but Corbyn tested water with first sacking (already forgotten his name) , unprecedented twitter endorsements of the sacked bloke from rest of shadow cabinet. So change of tack rather than sack, change jobs where possible , and only sack the also men...still some other also men stuck to the one out all out...
That's not really a 'manufactured' controversy, certainly not by the media at any rate. If you don't do politics, and most people don't really, its just one of those things, but if you are one of those people who does politics, even if its just colouring in the bottom half of the internet. It was an event of some significance.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The media coverage was, to some extent, manufactured though. A huge smoke-screen was raised around Cameron's massive 'u-turn' and concession to rescind cabinet collectively responsibility for his ministers in the EU referendum campaign. No. 10 clearly used the Lab reshuffle media maelstrom as cover/distraction.
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yes, he was. He was also rather too close to News UK to be an effective Media, Culture and Sport spokesman.
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Need to get over it. Labour want to run the country and therefore deserve scrutiny.
What's not acceptable is presenting the story with bias and agenda. But making it a big story isn't that because it's still so unclear as to what the Labour Party will look like when it emerges from this turmoil. That's surely a big event in the small world of UK Politics.
i imagine that the purest socialised economy, the type that i would welcome, would necessarily feature vibrant locality based services (various shops cafes etc) . State ownership should probably be limited to (until such a time when the need for a state had gone) banks energy transportation health and welfare care and perhaps a few other major industrial processes.
Others may prefer a different balance, but the essential thing has to be economic democratic procedures to enable everyone to have their say in that balance.
i'm now beginning to wonder if my natural home is within Progress? or maybe i ought to remain in the asylum..
gosub
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Labour would have known that Cameron's statement on EU was pencilled in before Xmas, as would have been the mayoral launch. Putting a reshuffle in the mix is their error not Cameron's. I do suspect however, the delay on the Tuesday of announcing after the print editions came out, was a well its late now but if we make it even later the print edition will have to run harder with the Tory EU thing. Which they did.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Nah, rail fare hikes, the sell off of social housing, NHS morale being at an all time low and the UK being embroiled in yet another pointless, unwinnable war are big issues. They have important ramifications in the lives of ordinary people. Corbyn removing a disloyal non-entity from a role that is pretty much the political equivalent of milk monitor at school is only of interest within the Westminster bubble and to PPE bores with blogs.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Maybe it's a bit of both. I 'do' politics, and have had jobs in the past where I had to attend to every in and out of this kind of thing, although I spend plenty of time colouring in too. A lot of things which might feel significant when you immerse yourself like that turn out not to be in the longer run. Time will tell...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
with killary muzzled, danczuk in the Beasts Corner and a half-hearted round of resignations it hasn't been that bad a re shuffle surely? Certainl the resistance has proven rather limp so far
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
w(h)ither weathermongers?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Come again?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
like ironmongers only weather
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