Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[gosub]

He better try and keep them onside then.

Wouldn't go as far as that.

 

[brogdale]

good of him to leave it till so late at night people will have had to stay up to report on it. C-byn don't care, his flask of tea keeps him up all hours.

let the twitter rage of blairites begin

The twitter trolling from the tories is at a higher volume tbh.

 

[DotCommunist]

this allusion made me lol:

 

[DotCommunist]

It'll be around a lot longer than he will.

for so long as their are human beings, a written press and a political system to write about. He's already made it abundantly clear he doesn' give a shit for them and they've given him an almighty and sustained coating. As they would have done regardless.

 

[coley]

I wish the Labour Party was relevant to the public. It's not going to be any time soon given what's going on at the moment.

Hasn't been since the 70s, the Blairite soft tory years don't count as a "relevant Labour Party" had some hopes for Corbyn but he has fucked up.

 

[coley]

Like clearing away necrotic tissue to allow healthy tissue to form.

Hopefully aye, but you are looking at very long term solution, not a proposition today's politicians adhere too.

 

[DotCommunist]

Hasn't been since the 70s, the Blairite soft tory years don't count as a "relevant Labour Party" had some hopes for Corbyn but he has fucked up.

where and how? he's been in the job for scant months against a hostile press and a hostile PLP faction used to power, I've seen some 'umms' and that but overall every fuck up has been the manufacture of a hostile press readily supplied with supporting quotes from labour right wingers.

 

[gosub]

where and how? he's been in the job for scant months against a hostile press and a hostile PLP faction used to power, I've seen some 'umms' and that but overall every fuck up has been the manufacture of a hostile press readily supplied with supporting quotes from labour right wingers.

So everythings fine.. Its just a hostile press but that will get better if he antagonizes a hostile press.

 

[DotCommunist]

So everythings fine.. Its just a hostile press but that will get better if he antagonizes a hostile press.

nothing will be fine, its all fucked either way because its parliamentary politics in a modern capitalist age but he isn't going to get any better coverage if he starts fellating michael white and playing the game. Whats the point? they'll crucify you either way.

 

[J Ed]

nothing will be fine, its all fucked either way because its parliamentary politics in a modern capitalist age but he isn't going to get any better coverage if he starts fellating michael white and playing the game. Whats the point? they'll crucify you either way.

Yes, even Ed Miliband was too left-wing for the British media. The options for Labour leaders these days are 1) be more right-wing than the Tories 2) go against the media

 

[killer b]

Helen Lewis on R4 this morning 'moderates, centrists, whatever you want to call them...'

Oddly enough, I dont want to call them either of those things...

 

[J Ed]

Helen Lewis on R4 this morning 'moderates, centrists, whatever you want to call them...'

Oddly enough, I dont want to call them either of those things...

Helen Lewis is a good example imo of someone who has radicalised significantly since the leadership campaign. Previously she could conceivably if not honestly pass for centre-left but now she's basically open and proud of her right-wing position and within that milieu she is far from the only one.

 

[cantsin]

So everythings fine.. Its just a hostile press but that will get better if he antagonizes a hostile press.

forget the press, there's much bigger issues at play over the next 5 yrs : global structural economic shifts , impending enviromental + automation related employment crises etc.

There's a good chance a nominally leftwing LP will be able to take electoral advantage of all this by appearing to offer genuine attempts at solutions - the fucking 'press' will fall in line if so, just as they did with Blair, they're nothing.

 

[J Ed]

forget the press, there's much bigger issues at play over the next 5 yrs : global structural economic shifts , impending enviromental + automation related employment crises etc.

There's a good chance a nominally leftwing LP will be able to take electoral advantage of all this by appearing to offer genuine solutions - the fucking 'press' will fall in line if so, just as they did with Blair, they're nothing.

The Corbyn team should be strategising over and over exactly what they are going to do minute by minute in the wake of another recession or major crisis, unlike the right the left lets crisis after crisis 'go to waste'.

 

[brogdale]

forget the press, there's much bigger issues at play over the next 5 yrs : global structural economic shifts , impending enviromental + automation related employment crises etc.

There's a good chance a nominally leftwing LP will be able to take electoral advantage of all this by appearing to offer genuine attempts at solutions - the fucking 'press' will fall in line if so, just as they did with Blair, they're nothing.

I think it very unlikely that the press/media will 'fall in line' with anything connected to the Corbyn 'project'. Blair garnered support because he persuaded some press 'barons' that he could manage the transition from 'debt state' to 'consolidator state' as effectively as the tories. Added to which he cut personal deals with Murdoch et al regarding their own personal wealth/power remaining immune from a NL government.

Corbyn won't.

 

[brogdale]

The Corbyn team should be strategising over and over exactly what they are going to do minute by minute in the wake of another recession or major crisis, unlike the right the left lets crisis after crisis 'go to waste'.

Not forgetting the fall-out from the EU ref...whichever outcome.

 

[cantsin]

I think it very unlikely that the press/media will 'fall in line' with anything connected to the Corbyn 'project'. Blair garnered support because he persuaded some press 'barons' that he could manage the transition from 'debt state' to 'consolidator state' as effectively as the tories. Added to which he cut personal deals with Murdoch et al regarding their own personal wealth/power remaining immune from a NL government.

Corbyn won't.

the Press / Media have to follow their readers eventually, they have to, it's a fallacy that they shape the political landscape in any standalone sense.


And as for Corbo not doing 'deals' with Murdoch etc, i doubt it would be anything as cut and dried as that, but he's already proving to be v realistic/shrewd about his / his wing of the PLP's capabilities / reach .

 

[killer b]

The EU ref is going to proper fuck shit up.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

forget the press, there's much bigger issues at play over the next 5 yrs : global structural economic shifts , impending enviromental + automation related employment crises etc.

There's a good chance a nominally leftwing LP will be able to take electoral advantage of all this by appearing to offer genuine attempts at solutions - the fucking 'press' will fall in line if so, just as they did with Blair, they're nothing.

What 'genuine attempts at solutions' will Jeremy and co offer? Greater state control?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

forget the press, there's much bigger issues at play over the next 5 yrs : global structural economic shifts , impending enviromental + automation related employment crises etc.

There's a good chance a nominally leftwing LP will be able to take electoral advantage of all this by appearing to offer genuine attempts at solutions - the fucking 'press' will fall in line if so, just as they did with Blair, they're nothing.

Is that really the relationship you think New Labour had with the Murdoch press?

the Press / Media have to follow their readers eventually, they have to, it's a fallacy that they shape the political landscape in any standalone sense.

The press have to sell advertising and copy. That is what they are there for, not primarily following or pushing their readers; those are means to an end.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[brogdale]

The press have to sell advertising and copy. That is what they are there for, not primarily following or pushing their readers; those are means to an end.

Yes, and as a sub-set of financialised capital it suits their owners to relentlessly promote anything advantageous to neo-liberalism, and seek to neutralise all threats....whilst accumulating capital.

 

[Whagwan]

What 'genuine attempts at solutions' will Jeremy and co offer? Greater state control?

The opposite in fact, why don't you actually read his proposals r.e. re-nationalising the railways.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The opposite in fact, why don't you actually read his proposals r.e. re-nationalising the railways.

Eh? Are you saying re-nationalisation is an example of less state control or that taking the rail back into public ownership is one of the genuine attempts at solutions to tackle the problems of global capitalism outlined by Cantsin?

 

[killer b]

Have you read his proposals? He's suggesting a workers/passengers co-op rather than a simple return to the old nationalised model.

 

[Mr Moose]

New Shadow Defence Secretary: Emily Thornberry. Maria Eagle also moved to Shadow Culture.

That's it folks, epic trolling by Corbyn

Clearly Corbyn unconvinced by the snobbery outcry that had Ed 'respecting' left, right and centre. Let's hope Thornberry logs out of twitter before inspecting the troops.

 

[J Ed]

So one member of the cabinet has resigned. The head of Tory propaganda diffusion sorry I mean the BBC political editor thinks 3 more will go.

 

[Mr Moose]

So one member of the cabinet has resigned. The head of Tory propaganda diffusion sorry I mean the BBC political editor thinks 3 more will go.

lol.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Have you read his proposals? He's suggesting a workers/passengers co-op rather than a simple return to the old nationalised model.

No I haven't. Is the solution to global capitalism's systemic problems set out there?

 

[killer b]

No. But nor is 'greater state control' what he's proposing.

 

[Mr Moose]

No I haven't. Is the solution to global capitalism's systemic problems set out there?

You might as well ask what his plan is to make us all nicer people. May need to set your sights lower in this debate.