Corbyn & Cabinet in the Media

[nino_savatte]

Why do you think that, because he defended free movement, refugees, etc, or some other reason.

1. You'd better hope that a natural disaster or a war doesn't befall you (qv. The 'There By The Grace of God Go I Principle').
2. I sometimes get the feeling you've never left your house, let alone the town/city/village/street where you live.

 

[Coolfonz]

i think if you compare the general wherewithal of similar aged chaps, Sanders and Corbyn, then Jeremy looks a bit, kind of, well...not quite as good.

 

[J Ed]

Just saw Corbyn's speech in full, the delivery was stilted but it hits on all the right points that a Labour remain campaign should do electorally. Absolutely loved the smirk then half-hearted response to the journos getting it from the audience, more of that please.

 

[DotCommunist]

i think if you compare the general wherewithal of similar aged chaps, Sanders and Corbyn, then Jeremy looks a bit, kind of, well...not quite as good.

which one of them is leading his party and which has been probably beat by his parties right wing? Sanders I had hoped would get it but killary will

 

[Coolfonz]

which one of them is leading his party and which has been probably beat by his parties right wing? Sanders I had hoped would get it but killary will

good point but i meant more in the general hussle area.

 

[treelover]

Is that all you heard there? I'm glad he defended free movement, because I think it's something that should be defended - and I think the way he defended it was the right way to do it too.

But that really was a minor part of the speech - look at all the other things he did: laying out an alternative, thoughtful defence of the EU, laying into the tories and setting out what a labour govt would do differently, positioning himself as a non-hysterical, sensible voice you can trust... it was a brilliant balancing act a great piece of rhetoric, whether you agree with him or not. Whoever wrote it knows what they're doing...

Note sure what about Belboid and Co is on about, i actually agree with you it was an accomplished and nuanced comprehensive speech.

 

[belboid]

oh you little fibber you

 

[Artaxerxes]

Is that all you heard there? I'm glad he defended free movement, because I think it's something that should be defended - and I think the way he defended it was the right way to do it too.

But that really was a minor part of the speech - look at all the other things he did: laying out an alternative, thoughtful defence of the EU, laying into the tories and setting out what a labour govt would do differently, positioning himself as a non-hysterical, sensible voice you can trust... it was a brilliant balancing act a great piece of rhetoric, whether you agree with him or not. Whoever wrote it knows what they're doing...

Sorry but I can't seem to find it, have you got a link?

 

[killer b]

It was on the graun politics live blog

 

[killer b]

This has some details: Jeremy Corbyn's speech on Europe was cleverer than you think

 

[nino_savatte]

Note sure what about Belboid and Co is on about, i actually agree with you it was an accomplished and nuanced comprehensive speech.

Well, then, allow me to refresh your memory. You said this:

Why do you think that, because he defended free movement, refugees, etc, or some other reason.

You're obsessed.

 

[nino_savatte]

i think if you compare the general wherewithal of similar aged chaps, Sanders and Corbyn, then Jeremy looks a bit, kind of, well...not quite as good.

Meaning what, exactly?

Being preoccupied with superficialities is somewhat postmodern.

 

[DownwardDog]

Somebody has helpfully edited the Vice documentary (which I assume is as dull as fuck) down to the interesting bits.

 

[nino_savatte]

Here's another one of those "Unnamed backbenchers tell Corbyn" articles. The choice of photo is rather interesting.
Labour MPs to put pressure on Corbyn with rival Trident report

 

[belboid]

Here's another one of those "Unnamed backbenchers tell Corbyn" articles. The choice of photo is rather interesting.
Labour MPs to put pressure on Corbyn with rival Trident report

It's a report from the Labour backbench defence committee, as chaired by the man in the photo. It's not 'another one of those "Unnamed backbenchers tell Corbyn" articles'

 

[agricola]

It's a report from the Labour backbench defence committee, as chaired by the man in the photo. It's not 'another one of those "Unnamed backbenchers tell Corbyn" articles'

If the leadership have any sense at all they will point to the disasters elsewhere in defence procurement - this, for example - and make this into an argument stating that perhaps BAE should not be trusted with any more of the nations money until they can build ships on time, on budget and which actually work. It might also help to sneakily mention the links (actual and political) between many of the anti-Corbyn maquis and those who signed many of those ruinous deals in the first place.

 

[brogdale]

I'll just leave this here....
Blair accuses Jeremy Corbyn of standing by as Syria is bombed

 

[nino_savatte]

I'll just leave this here....
Blair accuses Jeremy Corbyn of standing by as Syria is bombed

The cunt's feeling the heat in advance of the Chilcot Report's findings, so he's deflecting.

 

[agricola]

The cunt's feeling the heat in advance of the Chilcot Report's findings, so he's deflecting.

Or setting up some kind of insanity defence.

 

[belboid]

While everyone stares on in frozen silence, he will make his escape

 

[nino_savatte]

Or setting up some kind of insanity defence.

Well, I have to say he looks more and more unhinged each time I see him on the telly.

 

[brogdale]

Well, I have to say he looks more and more unhinged each time I see him on the telly.

Certainly seems to be losing grip on any logic that he may have possessed....

Tony Blair has launched his strongest attack yet on Jeremy Corbyn, for condemning the war in Iraq but standing by while the Syrian people were barrel-bombed.

How dare Corbyn be so hypocritically inconsistent to condemn one expeditionary war, and yet fail (as Leader of the Oppo) to declare war on Syria.

 

[two sheds]

Corbyn should be over there batting away the barrel bombs with his superpowers.

 

[belboid]

I thought TB had ended all war in the Middle East, anyway

 

[gosub]

I'll just leave this here....
Blair accuses Jeremy Corbyn of standing by as Syria is bombed

It was Milliband who blocked Syria, and Saddam would have fallen in the same time frame without Blair getting involved.

And it was Blair misadventure that has caused people to think twice rather than take military action

 

[Artaxerxes]

I'll just leave this here....
Blair accuses Jeremy Corbyn of standing by as Syria is bombed

The definition of madness is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results.

Yes portions of Syria were crying for help, but at the same time last time we got involved in a massive war in the Middle East it created an open sucking wound that refuses to heal no matter how many bombs we throw at it.

 

[bluescreen]

The definition of madness is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results.

Yes portions of Syria were crying for help, but at the same time last time we got involved in a massive war in the Middle East it created an open sucking wound that refuses to hal no matter how many bombs we throw at it.

Whereas Syria...
Yeah, I was on the march too but it's simplistic to suggest any parallel between Iraq and Syria.

 

[butchersapron]

It was Milliband who blocked Syria, and Saddam would have fallen in the same time frame without Blair getting involved.

And it was Blair misadventure that has caused people to think twice rather than take military action

I suspect blair was talking about Corbyn giving MP a free vote at the end of last year on airstrikes in Syria rather than whipping them to vote with the govt. Not the vote in 2013.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Whereas Syria...
Yeah, I was on the march too but it's simplistic to suggest any parallel between Iraq and Syria.

Syria is, sadly, a direct fallout from Iraq, and I can see the logic for "fixing our mistakes" but its not something I want us to get involved in. If we went in last time with the best intentions and it created ISIS what the fucks going to happen next time? How bad can it get?

 

[bluescreen]

Syria is, sadly, a direct fallout from Iraq, and I can see the logic for "fixing our mistakes" but its not something I want us to get involved in. If we went in last time with the best intentions and it created ISIS what the fucks going to happen next time? How bad can it get?

Worse.
E2A: I reckon it's far too late for help, if there ever was time for help (which I'm agnostic about). I was just being a pedant. It's a bloody tragedy and all we can do is pick up the pieces as decently as we can.