Commie Bastards have one more success in Nepal!

[Macabre]

They were quite within their rights to get mad. Nobody in their right mind would put up with being patronised in such a disgusting manner. The old both sides are as bad as each other argument, so one side (the maoists naturally) should give up, knuckle down and wait for the caste system to... go away. By fucking magic.

Quite, it wasnt at all the fact that a few minutes earlier they talked about the brutality of the police and military towards the nepalis and then tell me they job was to do pretty much the same thing. What a disgusting, patronising ,child I am for point out that they were hypocrits. I bet you'd have bought them a pint for a good days robbing.

 

[fishfingerer]

let the grown ups have a conversation.

You're not a grown up, you're a student (albeit one whose background has infused him with bullshit values and a level of arrogance that he believes entitles him to know what's best for poor johnny foreigner) who had a holiday.

 

[fishfingerer]

Quite, it wasnt at all the fact that a few minutes earlier they talked about the brutality of the police and military towards the nepalis and then tell me they job was to do pretty much the same thing. What a disgusting, patronising ,child I am for point out that they were hypocrits. I bet you'd have bought them a pint for a good days robbing.

Report them to the nearest policeman.

 

[Macabre]

Report them to the nearest policeman.

so now you support the state. Not that its supprises me given your attitude to working class people re: shelf stackers

And Im not a student, although ive met many who are more mature than you.

 

[revol68]

fishbrained, your a pathetic lil prick. You seem to assume that I support the caste system because I refuse to support the Maoists. This is the logic of a moron trapped within the binary oppositions of bourgeois politics. I support the removal of the King, and it is precisely why I do not support the Maoists, they only offer brutal stalemate that serves only to further solidify the grip of the King and themselves over the local populace. Any grass roots opposition gets strangled by both sets of weeds. This is what is happening at the moment as more and more Nepalese leave the country.

Your point about Macabre having no right to judge the Maoists is ridiculous, Nepalese people are not united behind the Maoists, and surely if we wish to be so relativist can't we ask you who are you to judge those Nepalese who support the King or work in the security forces?

 

[fishfingerer]

Dig that unshakeable self confidence and paternalistic attitude to the silly wogs who don't know what's good for them. The spirit of the empire lives on.

 

[Macabre]

Dig that unshakeable self confidence and paternalistic attitude to the silly wogs who don't know what's good for them. The spirit of the empire lives on.

The Maoists in a nutshell, glad we're winning you over fishy

 

[fishfingerer]

fishbrained, your a pathetic lil prick. You seem to assume that I support the caste system because I refuse to support the Maoists. This is the logic of a moron trapped within the binary oppositions of bourgeois politics.

Realistically, as noted by Red Jezza and Idris, the maoists are the only ones remotely able to effect any positive change. So yes, for all your fruitloop bleating about non existent or completely impotent grassroots bollocks, you do support the caste system objectively.

I've noticed that in threads about Cuba, NI or this Nepal one, you have tended to attack the rebels (Che Guevara, republicans, maoists) and have been totally uncritical of whatever disgusting regime is in power, and methods used to maintain power. I can only conclude that you're up to some snide right wing trollery. Or else you're a swappie. A dim cunt in any case.

 

[Macabre]

no opinions of your own fishy or do you just lick the bum of others then go on a blinding rant. The maoist havent introduced any positive change in the area, and I cant remember Red Jezza or Idris saying they have done.

 

[revol68]

okay so who did you cheerlead during the cold war, USSR or USA, how about the old 1st World War, germans or british?

As for Northern Ireland well i'm afraid that republicans have just proven my point, 30 years of bloodhsed for them to walk into stormont and put a wee tricolor in their office. Well worth it, did alot for the working class.

 

[fishfingerer]

no opinions of your own fishy or do you just lick the bum of others then go on a blinding rant. The maoist havent introduced any positive change in the area, and I cant remember Red Jezza or Idris saying they have done.

If only the peasants would do what arrogant cock backpackers tell them, everything would be fine.

 

[fishfingerer]

okay so who did you cheerlead during the cold war, USSR or USA, how about the old 1st World War, germans or british?

Stupid analogies.

As for Northern Ireland well i'm afraid that republicans have just proven my point, 30 years of bloodhsed for them to walk into stormont and put a wee tricolor in their office. Well worth it, did alot for the working class.

Do you really think nothing has changed for the better on this island since the 60's?

 

[Jessiedog]

Why would things be worse? What's wrong with Nepalese people trying to get rid of the caste system and nutter monarchy using every means available? Nobody is going to do it for them, certainly not simpering spoilt liberal guilt-ridden brat students on holiday.

You didn't answer my question fish. And given your posts since, I doubt that you will, but nevertheless re-post it below.

My question serves to elicit your recognition that were the Maoists already in power and the monarchists trying to wrest it from them, BUT, the Maoists called themselves monarchists and the monarchists called themselves Maoists, that you would, in fact, support the monarchists, simply because of what they called themselves and the fact that they wanted to overthrow something.

You are entirely blinded by ideology. It is tiresome and childish. Really!

To answer your question. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Nepali people trying to dismantle the caste system and change the political system. The problem, as has been ponted out frequently by many here, is that, in revol's words

I support the removal of the King, and it is precisely why I do not support the Maoists, they only offer brutal stalemate that serves only to further solidify the grip of the King and themselves over the local populace. Any grass roots opposition gets strangled by both sets of weeds. This is what is happening at the moment as more and more Nepalese leave the country.

Anyway, I realise that it's probably pointless, but.......

fishfinger,

Here's a thought.

Imagine the Maoists overthrow the monarchy.

Imagine that things get worse for the people under the Maoists over the next decade or two.

Imagine that people are suffering terribly under the new regime.

Imagine it is worse than the monarchy.

Imagine, then, that a group arises calling itself the "Right Wing Dictatorship of Nepal" and promises to take better care of the people after it has despatched with the Maoists.

Would you similarly support this group as you now do the Maoists?

Ideologically, it would be silly for you to do so, but logically, it would be consistent with your current stance - unless that is, you care more for ideology than logic and people.

Which would it be?

Woof

 

[Macabre]

Stupid analogies.

From the master himself.

Not going to bother posting on this thread anymore, this 2-bit troll has ruined a perfectly good debate and everyone seems to have gotten the point but him.

If there are any advances in Nepal I'd suggest starting a new thread (and to put fishbreath of ignore as he doesnt add anything to the topic).

 

[DrRingDing]

I support the removal of the King, and it is precisely why I do not support the Maoists

Then you're a bit dim, the CPN (maoist) are the only movement serious about toppling the king.

 

[DrRingDing]

they (maoists) only offer brutal stalemate that serves only to further solidify the grip of the King and themselves over the local populace. Any grass roots opposition gets strangled by both sets of weeds.

You are assuming the maoists cannot win, this is a presumption too far.

...and you will find that is you look further than the mass media you will find widespread grassroots support for the maoists.

 

[DrRingDing]

If only the peasants would do what arrogant cock backpackers tell them, everything would be fine.

Exactly, Macabre's best piece of advice for what the Nepalese should do is let India invade and control Nepal.

A consevative and and imperialist no less!

 

[DrRingDing]

My question serves to elicit your recognition that were the Maoists already in power and the monarchists trying to wrest it from them, BUT, the Maoists called themselves monarchists and the monarchists called themselves Maoists, that you would, in fact, support the monarchists, simply because of what they called themselves and the fact that they wanted to overthrow something.

Gibberish.


And Jessiedogs' greatest nugget of advice for the people of Nepal is to give up their arms and let the king take back his country.

Another conservative!

This thread has attracted them like flies.

 

[DrRingDing]

Not going to bother posting on this thread anymore, this 2-bit troll has ruined a perfectly good debate and everyone seems to have gotten the point but him.

If there are any advances in Nepal I'd suggest starting a new thread (and to put fishbreath of ignore as he doesnt add anything to the topic).

awww diddums

Belt up macabre.

Gwaan tell us some more about how you have chin wagged with a handful of members of the petite bourgeoisie of Nepali society and how they said the maoists really really really bad and that China or preferably India should colonise the Himilayan valley and everything would wicked.

 

[fishfingerer]

Exactly, Macabre's best piece of advice for what the Nepalese should do is let India invade and control Nepal.

A consevative and and imperialist no less!

Yes a full on war. Disappear all the suspected maoists and anyone else who talks bolshy.

 

[revol68]

You are assuming the maoists cannot win, this is a presumption too far.

...and you will find that is you look further than the mass media you will find widespread grassroots support for the maoists.

not only am i assuming they cannot win, but even if they could their behaviour so far suggests they'll be no better than everyother jumped up group of middle class cunts draped in the rhetoric of pseudo marxism.


And the evidence coming out of Nepal would suggest the Maoists and Monarchy are stuck in a stalemate, or do you know of some sneak Maoist rouse that will see them march into the capital anytime soon.


And to the cock who asked if thinks had got better since the sixties in ireland, well i'd have to say aye they have but it has fuck all and far less to do with the IRA's murderous campaign.

 

[fishfingerer]

You didn't answer my question fish.

I asked you why do you think things would get worse. A lot depends on how the US, India and China respond to developments. If things did get worse would you say the maoists would be mostly responsible? If both sides are as bad as each other, surely that could not be the case.

 

[fishfingerer]

And to the cock who asked if thinks had got better since the sixties in ireland, well i'd have to say aye they have but it has fuck all and far less to do with the IRA's murderous campaign.

Another failure by the mouthy fruitloop fantasist cunt to mention loyalist culpability. Quelle surprise. There would have been more violence without the IRA you tosser, except all of it would have been directed against the nationalist community.

 

[DrRingDing]

And to the cock who asked if thinks had got better since the sixties in ireland, well i'd have to say aye they have but it has fuck all and far less to do with the IRA's murderous campaign.

Pointless personal abuse and derailing the thread?

The last bastion of an arguement well lost.


Just for the records like, what would be your solution to Nepal problems?

 

[fishfingerer]

okay so who did you cheerlead during the cold war, USSR or USA, how about the old 1st World War, germans or british?

Who are the maoist peasants supposed to be the equivalent of, the USSR, the US, the kaiser or king george V?

 

[revol68]

take your choice they are all a bunch of power hungry cunts happy to sacrifice the working class to their cause.

any keep cheerleading those maoists, hell they might even be succesful and create another nice wee maoist state that rapidly industrialises through the brutal exploitation of the peasant base.

 

[DrRingDing]

All Hail!

 

[fishfingerer]

Both sides are as bad as each other but when it comes down to it, they're better off with this chap.

 

[revol68]

oh the good ole either/or binary.

SO tell us, Saddam or Occupation?

 

[fishfingerer]

oh the good ole either/or binary.

SO tell us, Saddam or Occupation?

The maoists are the same as the US and British armies now? I don't quite see the comparison. Elaborate.

How about Castro and Che or the mafia and Batista.