Commie Bastards have one more success in Nepal!

[Macabre]

No, I'll go on a 2 week backpacking holiday with my uni chums and after a sniff of raksi I'll shower the peasants with loose change which will eventually find its way into either the kings or the maoists coffers then I'll come back here and brag about it for months and make flaccid passive aggressive statements about how both sides are as bad as each other but really mean that the status quo should be maintained and then I'll finish my exams and join Nike as assistant to the director of sweatshop rape or something and be a cunt for the rest of my life.

You do that, it seems like you've got that 'cunt for the rest of my life' bit down to a T Yeah, Im oh so guilt ridden from holidaying in peoples misery, what with Nepal having no natural resources worth mentioning and its only money spinner being the tourist industry. The Nepalis are very greatful for the people who decide to risk it and come there because so many make a lively hood out of the tourists, Pokhara especially as many guest houses had closed down due to lack of patrons and the ones who had managed to stay open were getting by on a shoe string and badly needed backpackers custom. But hey, its not like the actual needs of the working class actually ever entered the thoughts of the CPN when they started up. Oh no no, Im left wing and know everything about every political situation and all left wing parties just want to liberate the poor, opressed working classes and then everything will be all sinshine and rainbows all over the world, ladida...

And because I dont support the Maoists obviously meens Im a royalist, doesnt it. I would recommend you went over there for two weeks so you can see it for yourself, all the Nepalis I met told me to tell people that its safe to go there to encourage people back.

Ive been practising my whip cracking for slave master for Gap, not Nike, thank you very much. How do you make ends meet oh self rightious one?

 

[fishfingerer]

The commie resistance groups in Greece, Yugoslavia, Italy, France etc were as bad as the nazis as well weren't they.

 

[Macabre]

Dunno tbh, dont know much about them, but just because they were true to their ideologies doesnt mean the CPN are. Not that those cases are in any way relevant to the thread, is strawman arguments all you got?

 

[Ryazan]

No, I'll go on a 2 week backpacking holiday with my uni chums and after a sniff of raksi I'll shower the peasants with loose change which will eventually find its way into either the kings or the maoists coffers then I'll come back here and brag about it for months and make flaccid passive aggressive statements about how both sides are as bad as each other but really mean that the status quo should be maintained and then I'll finish my exams and join Nike as assistant to the director of sweatshop rape or something and be a cunt for the rest of my life.

Put down your copy of No Logo and get a girlfriend.

 

[fishfingerer]

Put down your copy of No Logo and get a girlfriend.

Go stack some shelves like a good chap. All you're good for.

 

[Ryazan]

That isn't very nice. You hate all unskilled workers? Or just ones in the developed world?

 

[fishfingerer]

Just stupid people who believe they can insult others and somehow be immune from counter insults.

 

[Ryazan]

What is Maoism?

 

[revol68]

Go stack some shelves like a good chap. All you're good for.

fuck me your an incoherent twat.

nothing but support for iliterate Nepalese maoists but complete contempt for someone who stacks shelves in the UK.

 

[Ryazan]

Only some workers of the world should unite.

 

[Macabre]

Only the ones that will do what fishy says cuz he knows whats best for them. The rest can stack shelves in their royalist, statis quo loving hell hole.

 

[JoePolitix]

This threads degenerated into really nasty personal abuse.

Chill guys - all these flaming e-dragons are seriously bad for the health!

 

[Macabre]

Aww, let us have fun with fishy guvnar. I wanna see him dig a bigger whole for himself.

Back on track, this AI page gives the situation in a nutshell for people who dont know much about the situation (and have read this far, which is unlikely)

E2A: Anyone got any ideas for the future of Nepal? I agree with Jessiedog, that in a few years time they will be begging for foreign intervention and will play the UN and India off of China to get what it needs. This would unfortunatley benifit the King most as he already has the support of the Chinese government (how are against the CPN as they dont want this rebelion to get into Tibet) and India will do anything to sour that relationship.

Personally I think it should do a Sikkim and become a state of India, rather than China, as it shares a lot of the culture and religion. This would take some power from the King as the state would be controled by Delhi and the Indian army would have a strong presence due to the boarder with China. All this is dependant on the King giving up power but he isnt the sort of person to do that.

 

[fishfingerer]

Only the ones that will do what fishy says cuz he knows whats best for them. The rest can stack shelves in their royalist, statis quo loving hell hole.

Hang on a sec you spoilt fucking child. You're the one wagging your finger at the maoists like a true patronising twat. Why the fuck should they pay any attention to what some cunt student backpacker on a cheap fortnight holiday has to say about their situation.

And predictably enough, you evaded the question of WW2 communists but in an even more ignorant way than I thought you would.

 

[fishfingerer]

fuck me your an incoherent twat.

So says a chap who amongst other grammatical atrocities, doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

 

[revol68]

are you for real, it's you whos being a patronising cunt, your sitting at home cheerleading on a bunch of pricks who think car bombs eqaute to a general strike. What the fuck would you tell the families of those people the maoists have slaughtered in their indiscrinimate urban bombing campaign?

"oh stop being a whinging middle class prick, I know they just wiped out your entire family but hey the King is worse!"

Perhaps you should get a job with the US military in Iraq, just remember to swap the King with Saddam and you'll be grand.

 

[revol68]

So says a chap who amongst other grammatical atrocities, doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

ah, grammar sniping the last resort of someone with absolutely fuck all to say.

and i do know the difference between your and you're, typos aren't exactly uncommon on the internet and most people tend to rise above such cheap shots.

And as for your comments about holidaying in other peoples misery well im afraid i grew up in northern ireland and so i have a low tolerance of people putting forward simplistic analysis and cheer leading guerillas from the safety of your armchair.

 

[fishfingerer]

are you for real, it's you whos being a patronising cunt, your sitting at home cheerleading on a bunch of pricks who think car bombs eqaute to a general strike. What the fuck would you tell the families of those people the maoists have slaughtered in their indiscrinimate urban bombing campaign?

"oh stop being a whinging middle class prick, I know they just wiped out your entire family but hey the King is worse!"

Perhaps you should get a job with the US military in Iraq, just remember to swap the King with Saddam and you'll be grand.

Do you think that Macabre's little holiday in Nepal qualifies him to tell the nepalese how to conduct their little struggle? His first post on this thread seems to suggest he thinks he does. Do you know the difference between conditional and unconditional support for a cause? Fucking liberal.

 

[fishfingerer]

And as for your comments about holidaying in other peoples misery well im afraid i grew up in northern ireland and so i have a low tolerance of people putting forward simplistic analysis and cheer leading guerillas from the safety of your armchair.

I'm from Ireland too.

 

[Macabre]

Hang on a sec you spoilt fucking child. You're the one wagging your finger at the maoists like a true patronising twat. Why the fuck should they pay any attention to what some cunt student backpacker on a cheap fortnight holiday has to say about their situation.

And predictably enough, you evaded the question of WW2 communists but in an even more ignorant way than I thought you would.

*yawn* The first paragraph is ridiculous and quite banable if you'd care to read the FAQ. If you'd actually taken in anything from this thread you'd see its hardly holidaying in peoples misery and my opinion for the future of Nepal was derived from the opinions of Nepalis.

I didnt avoid the WW2 communists question, I said its not relevant. Drawing comparisons to commies for 50 years ago in another part of the world has nothing to do with the situation in Nepal. They may have been just but that doesnt make all communist just by default, all you did was make a strawman.

E2A; What experiences/info/connections with Nepal do you have thats so insightful to the discusion? Why have you formed the opinions you have? Everyone here who is critical of the Maoists has given their accounts of why they feel that way, you've been nothing but abusive through the whole thread and defended the Maoists based purely on ideology. I may have only been there for 5 weeks but its still made me infintely more clued up on the situation than you are. Not that over a month of talking to people on the ground and seeing the situation with my own eyes counts as solid basis to form an opinion on

 

[Jessiedog]

fishfinger,

Here's a thought.

Imagine the Maoists overthrow the monarchy.

Imagine that things get worse for the people under the Maoists over the next decade or two.

Imagine that people are suffering terribly under the new regime.

Imagine it is worse than the monarchy.

Imagine, then, that a group arises calling itself the "Right Wing Dictatorship of Nepal" and promises to take better care of the people after it has despatched with the Maoists.

Would you similarly support this group as you now do the Maoists?

Ideologically, it would be silly for you to do so, but logically, it would be consistent with your current stance - unless that is, you care more for ideology than logic and people.

Which would it be?



Woof

 

[fishfingerer]

fishfinger,

Here's a thought.

Imagine the Maoists overthrow the monarchy.

Imagine that things get worse for the people under the Maoists over the next decade or two.

Why would things be worse? What's wrong with Nepalese people trying to get rid of the caste system and nutter monarchy using every means available? Nobody is going to do it for them, certainly not simpering spoilt liberal guilt-ridden brat students on holiday.

 

[Idris2002]

I'm certainly not going to read the whole thread. . . but I'm reminded of the story about Devalera being visited by an old republican who'd turned left.

Dev was told that under his govt. a million people had left Ireland. And Dev replied, well if you'd been in power the same number would have left.

To which the republican responded, 'yes, but it would have been a different million'.

It might be nice if Nepal could be a liberal democracy. . . but the social preconditions for that are just not there, just as they weren't there in Ethiopia under Haile Selassie or Afghanistan before 1979.

The best we can hope for is a swift end to the war, and a swift victory for the Maoists.

Not because Maoism is inherently appealing - but because the present regime is so awful. (I used to know an anthropologist who'd worked on the Nepali caste system. He told me he knew a woman who spoke two languages fluently, but was illiterate, because education was systematically denied to people of her low caste status).

And that might be a bad thing - looking at Mao's record - but it might not. The Zapatistas started as Maoists, remember.

 

[Macabre]

Why would things be worse? What's wrong with Nepalese people trying to get rid of the caste system and nutter monarchy using every means available? Nobody is going to do it for them, certainly not simpering spoilt liberal guilt-ridden brat students on holiday.

Is personal attacks on me all you can contribute? Im neither liberal (as if thats a bad thing, just the Erny wanabies continuing his legacy), guilt-ridden, possible a brat but at least I provide something to the thread. Most likely you dont actually know anything worth while about Nepal and so cant engage is a proper discussion, so you just get on you self rightious, high horse and shout at people. How very patronisingly, top-down politcally of you. You're nowt but a troll.

So war for the people, at the expense of the people to put into power a government who, judging by their actions, will be just as bad as the current one is fine because its an ideology you agree with?

 

[Macabre]

I'm certainly not going to read the whole thread. . . but I'm reminded of the story about Devalera being visited by an old republican who'd turned left.

Dev was told that under his govt. a million people had left Ireland. And Dev replied, well if you'd been in power the same number would have left.

To which the republican responded, 'yes, but it would have been a different million'.

It might be nice if Nepal could be a liberal democracy. . . but the social preconditions for that are just not there, just as they weren't there in Ethiopia under Haile Selassie or Afghanistan before 1979.

The best we can hope for is a swift end to the war, and a swift victory for the Maoists.

Not because Maoism is inherently appealing - but because the present regime is so awful. (I used to know an anthropologist who'd worked on the Nepali caste system. He told me he knew a woman who spoke two languages fluently, but was illiterate, because education was systematically denied to people of her low caste status).

And that might be a bad thing - looking at Mao's record - but it might not. The Zapatistas started as Maoists, remember.

Perhaps you should try to read it Idris, the scenario you're hoping for is impossible because neither side have the stomach or money for a full-on war. The leaders of the Maoists are high caste nepalis who wanted a big slice of the pie than what the king gave them, their interests arent with the people, they just want more power. Its all covered better in other posts, blazzers on page 5 onwards are good and so are Jessiedogs

 

[fishfingerer]

Is personal attacks on me all you can contribute? Im neither liberal (as if thats a bad thing, just the Erny wanabies continuing his legacy), guilt-ridden, possible a brat but at least I provide something to the thread. Most likely you dont actually know anything worth while about Nepal and so cant engage is a proper discussion, so you just get on you self rightious, high horse and shout at people. How very patronisingly, top-down politcally of you. You're nowt but a troll.

So war for the people, at the expense of the people to put into power a government who, judging by their actions, will be just as bad as the current one is fine because its an ideology you agree with it?

Did you talk to any of the maoists while you were on your holiday?

And how about answering the question I asked Jessiedog: What's fundamentally objectionable about Nepalese people trying to get rid of the caste system and nutter monarchy? And why should they pay any attention to the likes of you?

 

[Macabre]

Did you talk to any of the maoists while you were on your holiday?

And how about answering the question I asked Jessiedog: What's fundamentally objectionable about Nepalese people trying to get rid of the caste system and nutter monarchy? And why should they pay any attention to the likes of you?

Yes I did, several times. I chatted to a couple in a resturant outside Pokhara, those particular ones didnt really get the situation and just gave the usual rhetoric that when I pressed them on it they got angry at me. They just seemed like hot heads who liked having a bit of power to through around. On the trek they were loads of them who seemed to think the best way to aproach people its with guns pointing at them, then 'tax' you. When you get taxed their supposed to issue you with a booklet but you really have to argue with them to get it as it also acts as a recite for them, so if they dont give you it the money money goes straight into their pockets and leaves you open to being taxed later on by another group. Even if you have you ticket, some try and argue that its fake. I met the head tourist taxation officer for the anapurna area and he was quite appologetic about it, but didnt seem to actually do anything about it. Everyone I talked to in Pokhara says its been like that for ages.

I only got held up in a bus once between Pokhara and Lambini, i mentioned it in another post, in a remote part. Those Maoists were just robbers, the Nepalis say that the further away from Katmandu and Pokhara you get the more the're like that.

We've answered your question many time, noone here is saying they arent entitled to get rid of the king. But overthroughing one tyranical regime to put in another isnt whats best for Nepal. I never said they should listen to my opinion, my opinion is that of the many Nepalis I met who are sick of the shit from both sides. If you actually read peoples posts and stopped derailing the thread by spouting abusive bollocks every second post then youd see that. Why should anyone pay attention to the likes of you? You've nothing to contribute to the thread.

 

[fishfingerer]

Yes I did, several times. I chatted to a couple in a resturant outside Pokhara, those particular ones didnt really get the situation and just gave the usual rhetoric that when I pressed them on it they got angry at me.

A fucking child tourist understands their situation better than they do? Fuck off you patronising cunt.

 

[Macabre]

God you thick as shit aint you. When I asked general questions about what they were doing and the political situation in Nepal they could answer my questions because it seemed that they didnt actually know anything and just believed what they were told as if it was gospel. Their day to day activities for 'tax collecting' and 'keeping the peace' amounted to nothing more than protection racketering and bullying, and when I asked them how that was any better than the military they got mad.

1/10 for trolling, unless you've something to contribute fuck off and let the grown ups have a conversation.

 

[fishfingerer]

They were quite within their rights to get mad. Nobody in their right mind would put up with being patronised in such a disgusting manner. The old both sides are as bad as each other argument, so one side (the maoists naturally) should give up, knuckle down and wait for the caste system to... go away. By fucking magic.