Charlotte Dujardin not competing in dressage after whipping video emerges
- Thread starter QueenOfGoths
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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
I am old but not that old.Actually I remember reading about the pigeon thing. Apparently Poodle Clipping nearly made it in that year too. One I would rather like to see back is Pistol Duelling (dropped in 1912 I thnk) presumably they ran out of entrants.
But seriously back on topic this whipping business is not good and I doubt it is a one off or anything like.
1900 also had Fire Engine Racing. The Americans won.
Cid
Proper break this time
Seems unlikely given the 19 year old is the whistleblower. Although I dunno, could have had a word with a stable hand after or something. Coach/parent? But yeah, on a quick scan there aren't really any 'omg JUST TRAINED WITH DUJARDIN' videos on the instragrams/youtubes etc, which you would kind of expect if that were possible. So may have a clause saying 'no video please' or 'video must not be shared publicly'. Which would be fairly sensible even absent the whole abuse thing.
On doing it just before the Olympics, not bothered - good flex. It would probably take a while to decide to publish it, get the legal situation in place etc anyway. And according to the rider it was two years ago, not four (which makes sense given covid), so... I suppose you just end up here. Who knows though, we may or may not find out.
klang
klang
Can i be in charge of the coconut shells pls?
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
As for releasing the video now I wonder if it's because had she gone to the Olympics there was a good chance she would have become Britain's most decorated female Olympian and would have been lauded for that.
That would be galling to me if I had evidence of such animal cruelty.
That would be galling to me if I had evidence of such animal cruelty.
Apparently it is the young girl's sponsor who is the whistleblower.
According to the whistleblower's lawyer, his client sponsored a young rider, a 19-year-old girl, to attend the lesson with Dujardin.
She filmed the lesson but had been warned against making an official complaint due to Dujardin's reputation at the time.
Her lawyer also said that 'This is not just one incident. My client has visited Charlotte Dujardin's stable more times and she has seen it happen more times.'
'It doesn't make any sense,' the lawyer added. 'It has no goal. It is unbelievable. At that time, my client was thinking this must be normal. She is an Olympic winner. Who am I to doubt?'
'My client asked around and was warned against speaking out in the UK. But last year my client saw others suspended in the UK and elsewhere.'
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
Of course it's possible - superior in fact! Animals are like people, they can be conditioned to repeat an action or behaviour through pain and fear, or through positive reinforcement. Think dog training, with treats and praise rather than shock collars (or the banning of corporal punishment). You get a better, more consistent repeat when it's been bedded in because doing it makes you feel good. Using pain and fear is lazy, as well as cruel and cunty.
he served 12 months? that seems crazy.Mind you not even close to that Dutch beachball volleyist competing in the Olympics after having been imprisoned for raping a 12-year old child
felixthecat
are we there yet?
Very true. My daughter in law rehabilitates ex racers and trains dressage and i've never once seen her use a whip. She's going to be horrified by this.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
I don't agree at all with using animals for sport, but it does make me wonder why this video surfaced now, and who the source was. Bearing in mind it's caused the withdrawal of someone who was poised to be the most accomplished woman Olympian ever, there are vested interests outside of animal welfare that make me suspect motivation.
Also, hundreds of horses get shot dead on racetracks, all the time, when they break their legs, because they're so hyper-specialised, they have the ability to run fast, but fixing them is too costly in time and effort, so they're "put out of their misery"... Never mind the gambling-centred racing industry that hyper-bred these animals expressly for entertaining us. And then worked them literally to an early, if relatively sudden death.
Just, don't use animals. It is so very, very straightforward when you set yourself that basic goal, and no amount of "oh it's an industry! Oh it keeps farriers in work! Oh it brings us medals to boast about, oh it keeps fox hounds happy, oh it clears the fields of pests, oh it's what the traditional King's Guard sits on.." It's all the same continuum of species-specific assumed superiority, and greed.
Horses in the wild don't dance like hot pricks. We have made them dance like pricks, because it pleases us. Distasteful, archaic, and exclusive, it can all get to fuck, whipping or no whipping.
Also, hundreds of horses get shot dead on racetracks, all the time, when they break their legs, because they're so hyper-specialised, they have the ability to run fast, but fixing them is too costly in time and effort, so they're "put out of their misery"... Never mind the gambling-centred racing industry that hyper-bred these animals expressly for entertaining us. And then worked them literally to an early, if relatively sudden death.
Just, don't use animals. It is so very, very straightforward when you set yourself that basic goal, and no amount of "oh it's an industry! Oh it keeps farriers in work! Oh it brings us medals to boast about, oh it keeps fox hounds happy, oh it clears the fields of pests, oh it's what the traditional King's Guard sits on.." It's all the same continuum of species-specific assumed superiority, and greed.
Horses in the wild don't dance like hot pricks. We have made them dance like pricks, because it pleases us. Distasteful, archaic, and exclusive, it can all get to fuck, whipping or no whipping.
I grew up in a family that was into dressage. Our horses were always treated very very well. My mum still has four of them and believe me she would never treat a horse like that. Her oldest is now 30.
A lunging whip which is what Dejardin is using there is not supposed to be used like that. It's supposed to be used to gently lead the horse in the right direction. I love animals. If I had ever seen anyone treat a horse like that when I was a kid I would have kicked off. All my mums horses were 'retired' race horses which were otherwise destined to the glue factory. Dressage used to bore the shit out of me as a young lad but I never saw any cruelty, honestly.
A lunging whip which is what Dejardin is using there is not supposed to be used like that. It's supposed to be used to gently lead the horse in the right direction. I love animals. If I had ever seen anyone treat a horse like that when I was a kid I would have kicked off. All my mums horses were 'retired' race horses which were otherwise destined to the glue factory. Dressage used to bore the shit out of me as a young lad but I never saw any cruelty, honestly.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
It has caused the withdrawal of someone who cruelly and needlessly whips horses. I couldn't give a rat's arse how accomplished she is/was. I hope she's never allowed near a horse again.
Fair play to whoever released the video.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Laura Kenny, obvs.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Sure many of us can relate to owning horses
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Huh, this perspective shouldn't have surprised me, but it did...
Reddit user said:
My family is definitely not or were loaded if that's what you're getting at. Dressage was just my mum's obsession since she was a kid so we sacrificed a lot for her and my sister to do it. If you're gonna ban dressage you're gonna need to ban Crufts. Coz I can assure you much worse goes on training those dogs. Dressage isn't cruel. Horse racing yes, I'd ban that, having seen that close up and behind the scenes.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Might be an idea to have this as a general thread for suspended Olympians, there's bound to be a few more. Like this one, chucked out for smoking a fag.
www.theguardian.com
Japanese gymnastics star Shoko Miyata sent home from Olympics for smoking
The captain of Japan’s Olympic women’s gymnastics team has been sent home from Europe after allegations she was caught smoking
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Did you go without Sky TV.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
By chance I was at an event organised by the British Horse Society today. Not surprisingly they were discussing the Dujardin news. Without exception all the horsey types* there were genuinely shocked at the footage.
(*I'm most definitely NOT a horsey type)
(*I'm most definitely NOT a horsey type)
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Not saying your situation was involved in any cruelty, but getting horses to perform like in a circus... it's got to have an element of cruelty to it, surely, with some owners/trainers
JimW
支那暗杀团
Puff and she's gone! Harsh, but apparently that's below the legal age in Japan.Might be an idea to have this as a general thread for suspended Olympians, there's bound to be a few more. Like this one, chucked out for smoking a fag.
Japanese gymnastics star Shoko Miyata sent home from Olympics for smoking
The captain of Japan’s Olympic women’s gymnastics team has been sent home from Europe after allegations she was caught smoking
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Very strict about under 20s and smoking/drinking. She'll be paraded on the press conferences to do the apologies, no doubt.Might be an idea to have this as a general thread for suspended Olympians, there's bound to be a few more. Like this one, chucked out for smoking a fag.
Japanese gymnastics star Shoko Miyata sent home from Olympics for smoking
The captain of Japan’s Olympic women’s gymnastics team has been sent home from Europe after allegations she was caught smoking
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
By chance I was at an event organised by the British Horse Society today. Not surprisingly they were discussing the Dujardin news. Without exception all the horsey types* there were genuinely shocked at the footage.
(*I'm most definitely NOT a horsey type)
(*I'm most definitely NOT a horsey type)
hash tag
Reaching out
Another thread for merging?
www.urban75.net
Charlotte Dujardin not competing in dressage
Just to be clear, I also won't be competing in the Olympic dressage HTH
www.urban75.net
It may not come out but I wonder if her smoking was to suppress her appetite to keep her weight under a certain limit. Gymnastics as a sport has had issues coaches / weight limits I think
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
There's always a possibility. Also, maybe she was just taking the pressure off being in the spotlight...
Reminds me of the Sarah Moulds case. Unbelievably, she was found Not Guilty!
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2...red-of-cruelty-condemns-trial-by-social-media
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2...red-of-cruelty-condemns-trial-by-social-media
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Boo Radley75
Well-Known Member
I'm most concerned about that convicted paedophile rapist in the Dutch beach volleyball team. On holiday so can't post the link but been covered on the BBC. 
