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[tardigrade]

If pointing out your inconsistencies is goading, then fair enough. But you seem more confused than Scooby Doo.

No inconsistances on my part. You are just here to argue for arguments sake. You are now ignored.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Ah, you're one of those.

You'll be speaking to yourself in no time.

 

[Silas Loom]

If pointing out your inconsistencies is goading, then fair enough. But you seem more confused than Scooby Doo.

Is it okay to train dogs to solve mysteries and expose the machinations of sinister janitors, though? Even if they really enjoy it?

 

[tardigrade]

tbf he's following your logic, not his. You do appear to be confused on this matter. Is it ok or not for people to keep dogs? If yes, is it then ok to have guide dogs? If not, why? And you can't give your reason as 'because some guide dogs are not treated well' because I would bet you any money that a higher proportion of guide dogs are treated well than the overall proportion of pet dogs.

Companion animals are not trained from birth to do things that aren't natural to them. That's the difference.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Companion animals are not trained from birth to do things that aren't natural to them. That's the difference.

Ah I see. You're just kind of ignorant about the whole thing. The training of guide dogs very much utilises and hones those dogs' natural abilities. As I said before, it's extraordinary how they can do it.

btw do you consider the training of a dog to 'walk at heel' on command to be unnatural. If so, you really should never own a dog.

 

[andysays]

Is it okay to train dogs to solve mysteries and expose the machinations of sinister janitors, though? Even if they really enjoy it?

From what I remember, the training was all about positive re enforcement through Scooby snacks rather than physical punishment or other chastisement, so most people would probably agree it was OK.

 

[Spymaster]

You can see the joy on their faces at being free to roam.

No you can't.

Don't be bloody ridiculous.

 

[andysays]

Ah I see. You're just kind of ignorant about the whole thing. The training of guide dogs very much utilises and hones those dogs' natural abilities. As I said before, it's extraordinary how they can do it.

btw do you consider the training of a dog to 'walk at heel' on command to be unnatural. If so, you really should never own a dog.

And that, of course, is why different breeds of dogs have been developed to be suitable for performing particular tasks.

 

[tardigrade]

The relevant question here surely is: is it inherently cruel to use dogs as guide dogs? imo the answer to that question is a clear 'no'.

Ah I see. You're just kind of ignorant about the whole thing. The training of guide dogs very much utilises and hones those dogs' natural abilities. As I said before, it's extraordinary how they can do it.

btw do you consider the training of a dog to 'walk at heel' on command to be unnatural. If so, you really should never own a dog.

Did I say it was cruel? No. Do I agree with it? Again, no. That's my opinion. You have a different one.

I'm not ignorant, just have a different opinion to you.

 

[Silas Loom]

From what I remember, the training was all about positive re enforcement through Scooby snacks rather than physical punishment or other chastisement, so most people would probably agree it was OK.

Our new friend might argue that constant exposure to mummies and banshees and suchlike was unnatural.

 

[Saul Goodman]

No inconsistances on my part. You are just here to argue for arguments sake. You are now ignored.

Ah, that old chestnut. "I've been rumbled, so I'll pretend you're in the wrong and put you on ignore. But I'll still click 'Show ignored content' every time you post'.

 

[tardigrade]

Our new friend might argue that constant exposure to mummies and banshees and suchlike was unnatural.

For your information, I love Scooby Doo!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Did I say it was cruel? No. Do I agree with it? Again, no. That's my opinion. You have a different one.

I'm not ignorant, just have a different opinion to you.

You said it was not 'natural'.

But you're just being boring now. Hey ho.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Companion animals are not trained from birth to do things that aren't natural to them. That's the difference.

What utter nonsense. Dogs walking on leads isn't natural. Do you think dog leads should be banned?
You're not very good at logic, are you.

 

[Epona]

No you can't.

Don't be bloody ridiculous.

I think the one on the left of the photo had a wee glint in his eye

 

[andysays]

Our new friend might argue that constant exposure to mummies and banshees and suchlike was unnatural.

That's (partly) why I said most.

TBH, I have some sympathy with the idea that animals shouldn't be used for the needless gratification of humans, and personally I'd include horse racing as well as all the other equestrian "sports" in that.

But I can also hopefully distinguish between good and bad arguments for positions, whether I agree with those positions or not.

 

[tardigrade]

You said it was not 'natural'.

But you're just being boring now. Hey ho.

How does not being natural equate to being cruel?
If I'm boring you, feel free to ignore me.

 

[Saul Goodman]

You said it was not 'natural'.

But you're just being boring now. Hey ho.

I was kinda feeling sorry for them when I saw them getting flack earlier. Now I realise why it was happening.

 

[tardigrade]

That's (partly) why I said most.

TBH, I have some sympathy with the idea that animals shouldn't be used for the needless gratification of humans, and personally I'd include horse racing as well as all the other equestrian "sports" in that.

But I can also hopefully distinguish between good and bad arguments for positions, whether I agree with those positions or not.

Care to put your arguments across then?

 

[May Kasahara]

You'll be speaking to yourself in no time.

Here's hoping.

 

[tardigrade]

Here's hoping.

I'd get more sense from talking to myself than most of the posters on here!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How does not being natural equate to being cruel?
If I'm boring you, feel free to ignore me.

Hang on, you quoted two posts by me from different places in the conversation, only one of which mentioned the word 'cruel'. When I replied to your post regarding the rather nebulous notion of 'natural', I used the word 'natural'.

And you're to imply that I'm the one being inconsistent????

 

[andysays]

Care to put your arguments across then?

I've already delayed going out and doing something I really need to do this afternoon by posting on this and other threads, but maybe later

 

[Saul Goodman]

Is it okay to train dogs to solve mysteries and expose the machinations of sinister janitors, though? Even if they really enjoy it?

It would have been, if it wasn't for that pesky tardigrade

 

[tardigrade]

Hang on, you quoted two posts by me from different places in the conversation, only one of which mentioned the word 'cruel'. When I replied to your post regarding the rather nebulous notion of 'natural', I used the word 'natural'.

And you're to imply that I'm the one being inconsistent????

Given that there are several posters here now, coming at me from all sides, I'm finding it difficult to keep up.

 

[Epona]

Dogs. cats and horses are all animals that have been domesticated for several millennia at the least, the idea that they are not naturally living alongside human settlements at this point is quite frankly absurd.

We've made this come about, we've made their numbers increase, we now need to treat them with kindness but suggesting they should be living in some sort of wild way is like mate the ship sailed on that several thousand years ago.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Given that there are several posters here now, coming at me from all sides, I'm finding it difficult to keep up.

We'll soon train you up.

 

[tardigrade]

Dogs. cats and horses are all animals that have been domesticated for several millennia at the least, the idea that they are not naturally living alongside human settlements at this point is quite frankly absurd.

We've made this come about, we've made their numbers increase, we now need to treat them with kindness but suggesting they should be living in some sort of wild way is like mate the ship sailed on that several thousand years ago.

I'm not your mate, and just because something has been the case for thousands of years doesn;t make it right.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not your mate, and just because something has been the case for thousands of years doesn;t make it right.

Ah, this is where I came in. I agreed with you on this point earlier. However, that's not the point Epona is making here.

And with that I'm off outside.

 

[Epona]

I'm not your mate, and just because something has been the case for thousands of years doesn;t make it right.

Well no it's clear we'll never be friends, enjoy your time to yourself once you've pissed off everyone on here