Characterising UKIP?

[treelover]

James Meek has produced another worthwhile, perceptive LRB piece about 'Farageland'; this time Grimsby.

I have a friend who lives up that way on a boat, she says the economic situation there and around is dire, many of the people she knows are on sanctions, don't have enough to eat, she says people are scared and see immigrants, many from Russia, Latvia, Lithuania as a threat to any chance of a job,

btw, she loathes UKIP and says her whole (multicultural) family will emigrate if he achieves power.

 

[treelover]

.....whereas, the LP has decided to characterise UKIP as directly comparable with the BNP...



Hmmm

'UKIP in, Waitrose Closes'

Every time I see that I have to do a double take, I wish the person that created that would come on here.

 

[brogdale]

I have a friend who lives up that way on a boat, she says the economic situation there and around is dire, many of the people she knows are on sanctions, don't have enough to eat, she says people are scared and see immigrants, many from Russia, Latvia, Lithuania as a threat to any chance of a job,

btw, she loathes UKIP and says her whole (multicultural) family will emigrate if he achieves power.

I'm sure that there will be some immigrants in Grimsby, but from some of the quotes within Meek's piece it does not appear to be a direct local driver of UKIP support...

Hardie, who is 72, has joined Ukip. He’s voted Labour, Conservative and Ukip in the past, but it will be Nigel Farage’s party for him this time. For Hardie, it’s not about immigration – there aren’t many immigrants in Grimsby – but about the European Union, and a lingering bitterness over the end of the old fishing days, and a sense that Labour has failed. ‘I don’t want to be ruled by Europe,’ he said. ‘Told what I can catch, what I can’t catch … Why Labour’s taken such a big knocking for Grimsby is, why would you vote for them? Take a look at it. What’s Labour done for Grimsby? All the industry has gone, we’ve got vast unemployment. Give somebody else a chance. Labour will lose this seat.’

 

[gosub]

I'm sure that there will be some immigrants in Grimsby, but from some of the quotes within Meek's piece it does not appear to be a direct local driver of UKIP support...

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85526

 

[brogdale]

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85526

Yes, did you read Meek's piece? He pretty much covers all those factors that led to the demise of the fishery.

 

[chilango]

I was in Newlyn (a very much still working fishing port in Cornwall) the other day. The pub by the harbour was sporting "Enoch was Right" and "Enoch Powell - the best Prime Minister we never had" stickers in its front windows.

 

[Blagsta]

my experience of attempting to debate with UKIP supporters on the Internet, is if you press the right buttons, they invariably come out with some nonsense about Common Purpose or cultural Marxism. It's bizarre.

 

[J Ed]

my experience of attempting to debate with UKIP supporters on the Internet, is if you press the right buttons, they invariably come out with some nonsense about Common Purpose or cultural Marxism. It's bizarre.

The stuff on Common Purpose reminds me of conspiracy theory stuff

 

[Blagsta]

The stuff on Common Purpose reminds me of conspiracy theory stuff

It *is* conspiracy theory stuff.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

The stuff on Common Purpose reminds me of conspiracy theory stuff

New to me.

Is the cpexposed.com site representative?

 

[J Ed]

New to me.

Is the cpexposed.com site representative?

This stupidity is

 

[Bernie Gunther]

hmm ... prisonplanet links ... I *see*

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It *is* conspiracy theory stuff.

Indeed my partner used to work for one of the main people behind Common Purpose and she's a paid up Tory (the CP woman not my partner!) definitely no Marxist.

 

[J Ed]

James Meek has produced another worthwhile, perceptive LRB piece about 'Farageland'; this time Grimsby.

Thanks for linking this btw, well worth the read

 

[J Ed]

This is insane. Five blokes wind up and insult a UKIP councillor until he lashes out and gives one a minor tap. In response one of these five takes to social media to claim that he suffered some kind of serious assault (which is contradicted if you watch the video that he himself is publicising) and gets the councillor arrested.

If this is what Hope not Hate have to offer then I think a lot of people are going to go with hate...

 

[J Ed]

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Yeah I saw that mentioned yesterday, noticed the bloke was from Hope not Hate and kind of went ...

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Here's the video I in question? (there's footage from a few different phones linked)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstru...ent-a-ukip-councillor-hits-an-anti-ukip-campa

 

[J Ed]

Here's the video I in question? (there's footage from a few different phones linked)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstru...ent-a-ukip-councillor-hits-an-anti-ukip-campa

Yeah, although you have to scroll down to the second video to realise just how minor the incident is.

 

[Idris2002]

Are hope not hate linked to the SWP?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Can anyone translate the UKIP guy?

I kind of get the idea that he's upset about something (other than the HnH guy being a patronising wanker) but can't make out what.

 

[brogdale]

Depressing stuff...all round.

 

[Steel Icarus]

James Meek has produced another worthwhile, perceptive LRB piece about 'Farageland'; this time Grimsby.

This is a great link brogdale - thanks, I grew up in Grimsby and live in Immingham (know a couple of people mentioned in the article, too) and recognise a lot of what Meek says. It's (ahem) grim.

 

[Batboy]

Be interesting to discuss what type of Party/movement UKIP actually are (or are becoming so that we can be a little more accurate than "far-right" "racist" etc.

For me, at first glance they seem to have a lot in common with the Lega Nord. With Brussels replacing Rome and a mythical UK replacing Narnia (sorry, Padania), a similar harnessing of anti-politics and populism alongside the cruder racism and anti-immigrant sloganeering, yet at the same time appealing to natural consituency of both the old Left and the old Right.

Just my initial impressions.

Hopefully others can bring more insight, cos I'm getting very frustrated with the lazy labelling going on.

Simple.... Diet BNP

 

[J Ed]

I have to admit that I enjoy watching Farage put the boot into Cameron both on his invasion of Libya and our responsibility to give asylum to those who continue to directly suffer from it. Smart politics.

Nigel Farage has blamed “fanatical” David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy for the drowning of hundreds of migrants off Italy, saying the exodus was “directly caused” by western intervention in the civil war in Libya.

The Ukip leader said that Nato had destabilised Libya when it launched bombing raids against Col Gaddafi in March 2011, causing the flight of refugees from the country.

He said Britain should offer refugee status to some Libyan Christians.

Up to 700 people are feared dead after a boat carrying migrants capsized off the Libyan coast overnight. Twenty eight people were rescued in the incident, which happened in an area just off Libyan waters, south of the southern Italian island of Lampedusa, an Italian coast guard official said.
If confirmed, it would mean the total dead in the southern Mediterranean is more than 1,500.

Mr Farage rejected calls for a stronger European response to the crisis.

“It was the European response that caused this problem in the first place. The fanaticism of Sarkozy and Cameron to bomb Libya. They have completely destabilised Libya, to turn it into a country with much savagery, to turn it into a place where for Christians the place is now virtually impossible. We ought to be honest and say we have directly caused this problem”.

 

[J Ed]

...but in the interests of balance



WTF

 

[brogdale]

Simple.... Diet BNP

Blimey, what a shame that you weren't there on P1 to answer the OP. Would have saved loads of posting.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The Boneheil Chronicles (cont.)

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/20/man-abusive-tweets-jack-monroe-bail

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...el-Farage-is-fading-away-without-a-fight.html

"Hardcore BNP switchers are sticking"

 

[bemused]

I know a few people voting for UKIP who would be horrified to think they would be considered racists. For many it's become the acceptable protest vote, much like the LibDems use to be. He's not going to get many MPs so people don't see it as that risky. It's shame there isn't a similar thriving nationalist movement as to the SNP in England; that would be quite interesting to watch. Sadly groups like the BNP have forever linked nationalism with racism in England.