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Characterising UKIP?

redsquirrel said:
Well seeing as polling shows that UKIP voters/supporters are more pro-nationalisation than those of any other party bar Labour perhaps your encounters don't tell us much about UKIP or their supporters.
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Perhaps you should have got your helpful remark in a month ago. I never claimed it was representative, just that that's been my experience.
 
Given the stuff people have got away with in the past it's got to be something fairly bad.

The Mail (not posting a link because nobody else should have to dirty their feet) says:

Ukip have expelled a prominent local councillor who is understood to have links with a far-Right group, it emerged last night.

Rozanne Duncan was dropped with immediate effect for associating with an organisation which ‘clearly brings the party into disrepute’ while serving on Thanet District Council in Kent.

Her allegiance with the group came to light after comments she made in an unbroadcast television interview, which have been described as ‘jaw-dropping’.
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I have UKIP down as a party slightly to the right of the Tories, who appeal to disillusioned voters on the old right and left and the anti-establishment vote who oppose the EU and want control of immigration. I'd say males are far more likely to vote for them than females. Wouldn't go as far to say they're a toned down version of the BNP, although they do attract party members and voters with similar views.
 
Trendy Lefty said:
I have UKIP down as a party slightly to the right of the Tories, who appeal to disillusioned voters on the old right and left and the anti-establishment vote who oppose the EU and want control of immigration. I'd say males are far more likely to vote for them than females. Wouldn't go as far to say they're a toned down version of the BNP, although they do attract party members and voters with similar views.
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Perhaps some polling should be done on this sort of stuff?
 
Trendy Lefty said:
I have UKIP down as a party slightly to the right of the Tories, who appeal to disillusioned voters on the old right and left and the anti-establishment vote who oppose the EU and want control of immigration. I'd say males are far more likely to vote for them than females. Wouldn't go as far to say they're a toned down version of the BNP, although they do attract party members and voters with similar views.
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look up their is gullible written on the ceiling

*shakes fist at sk*

:)
 
Press continue to have a field day with wacky UKIP quotes.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-odddities-how-ukip-keeps-going-off-message

Ironically, Rees-Evans unveiled his contribution to the list of wacky Ukip quotes when he was being asked to respond to some of the most controversial things that Ukip members have said in the past. What about the claim from the chair of a Ukip branch that “some homosexuals prefer sex with animals”?

“Actually, I’ve witnessed that,” Rees-Evans replied in an apparent attempt at humour, prompting a burst of hilarity among the protesters.

“I was personally quite amazed,” he told them. “I’ve got a horse and it was there in the field. And a donkey came up, which was male, and I’m afraid tried to rape my horse.”

So, in this case, whoever made the original claim was “obviously correct” because in this case a “homosexual donkey” was attracted to a horse, Rees-Evans said, in an exchange that was videoed and has been posted on YouTube.
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How others (by nation) see UKIP's (and 6 other 'main' parties) position on the linear, left-right ideological spectrum...

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The table (below) shows the mean average response to a series of questions asking respondents to place the parties on an eleven point scale, where 0 is left-wing and 10 is right-wing. The data are drawn from wave 3 of the BES, which was in the field in September and October this year, after the referendum result in Scotland. The table is broken down by each of the three countries that make up Great Britain. It also gives – in the top row of data – the average respondents’ self-placement.
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Source.
 
See also the earlier article he's referring to.
It’s also worth looking at where each party’s voters think their own parties are. Again, here we take the mean average for those saying they are going to support that party.

Green: 2.7 Labour: 3.5 Lib Dem: 4.7 UKIP: 7.0 Cons: 7.6

Note that the figure for Green, Labour, and the Lib Dems are very close to the estimates reported above by all respondents. But UKIPvoters put their own party at 7.0 and to the left of Conservative voters who place their party at an average of 7.6 (although, again, there is considerable overlap). So Conservative voters on average think their own party is to the right of where UKIP voters think their own party is. Plus, if you look at where party supporters place themselves you find Conservative voters put themselves at 7.1, whereas UKIP voters place themselves at 6.5. In both cases, the weekend’s ComRes poll found the same.

So the BES finds that the public as a whole position UKIP and the Conservatives at roughly the same place on the left-right spectrum, with UKIP only very slightly to the right of the Conservatives; moreover, UKIP voters see their party to the left of where Conservatives see their own party and UKIP voters are on average themselves to the left of Conservative voters.
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http://www.britishelectionstudy.com...d-centre-by-professor-phil-cowley/#.VJmxfsgDB
 
Characterising UKIP?

Difficult. As a party they are somewhat hard to categorise, many prima facie conflicting views within a single political entity.

They have plucked policies from the other parties, and amalgamated them into a package, that ensures that everyone could find a point of resonance.

Here are some of their 'manifesto promises' plucked from their web site, these are the ones I agree with:

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).

– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.

– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.*

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.

– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.

– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

The full whack is here:http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

If you click the link, you will find that whole sections of their policy have been overlooked, because I don't agree.

*That is how it works in the army, you undergo a lengthy and expensive training course, you have to 'pay back', by service after qualification, for the time that the course took, so, for a nurse it was three years.
 
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