Do you think your approach to the topic could learn something from it?
Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Dont you think that? It appears you do from your pots. Apologies if you do recognise it is only a few cranks and arseholes. But if tat is the case, they're hardly in a position to take over the Labour party and make the UK wholly inhospitable for jewish people.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I made many of the same points he does in the Jeremy Corbyn thread, especially about the need to speed up the process. He doesn't say anything about arguing on the internet with individual people who just pull up random comments from twitter trawls or who dismiss other jewish peoples opinions when they dont agree with them.
(or, indeed, who try to turn every thread mentioning the Labour Party into one on antisemitism)
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
This. Many many times this.
I agree, but it's difficult not to have outbreaks of it on here considering it's front & centre one of the main reasons given for the split.
Spod
Well-Known Member
Voted labour all my life except the last GE (went LibDem). Corbyn and the current regime does not represent centre-leftists remainers (like me).
I think Corbyn represents centre leftists pretty well, I mean he hardly represents full on leftists. I suspect your political leanings are not what you believe them to be.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Brexit aside what policies offend your Centre Left sensibilities?
This is interesting. I was out with a friend at the weekend who was telling me how much he hated Corbyn because he's a 'loony lefty'. This same friend then self-identified as a socialist I think because he 1) doesn't know much about politics 2) was brought up in a working class family in the NW and that's how people described themselves.
He doesn't seem to understand the massive disconnect between his current views (he seriously sounded like the Daily Mail at times
) and how he sees himself politically. I found it all really strange.Centre-leftists didn't vote Lib Dem in 2017.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is interesting. I was out with a friend at the weekend who was telling me how much he hated Corbyn because he's a 'loony lefty'. This same friend then self-identified as a socialist I think because he 1) doesn't know much about politics 2) was brought up in a working class family in the NW and that's how people described themselves.
He doesn't seem to understand the massive disconnect between his current views (he seriously sounded like the Daily Mail at times
That reminds me a bit of my mike gapes story (which is shit) , he was shitting it on our estate pub after doing some door-knocking when his seat was twinned with ours (after giving it the east end hardman spiel all day). I remember getting talking to a bloke who worked with my uncle whilst in there, giving us total encouragement, we've always been red, hard left, my dad his dad etc and saying that he'd feel betrayed if his daughter voted anything but labour. But he didn't agree with the party on anything that we talked about that night at all. That happened all the time - just brought to memory because of Gapes and i saw that uncle yesterday.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
This is interesting. I was out with a friend at the weekend who was telling me how much he hated Corbyn because he's a 'loony lefty'. This same friend then self-identified as a socialist I think because he 1) doesn't know much about politics 2) was brought up in a working class family in the NW and that's how people described themselves.
He doesn't seem to understand the massive disconnect between his current views (he seriously sounded like the Daily Mail at times
I *think* it's a bit of a hangover from the 1980's, especially in the North, that people sometimes see being a socialist as not quite the same as being part of the 'Loony Left'. Older people remember Corbyn as being part of the London/Tribune set.
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
Good.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
As a centre leftist remainer how are you with solidarity strike action, rent controls, the abolition of private education and the nationalisation of road haulage?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
He's 42 so a bit young for the 80s stuff tbh.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I knew who he was from when a friend in Camden stop the poll tax had assistance from jc to get a new passport in a hurry so he could get to the fête de l'humanité
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
...and I think it's the hangover of this "trendy lefties" past that's hobbling Corbyn in his attempt to present as mild mannered Social Democrat.
Sure, the old white men in the media are just reprinting the same shit smears as the 1980s.
But more importantly Corbyn can't shake off his pals from then and their shitty Trot Lite cause based hobbyist. Of which Palestine (and the anti-Semitism that that attracts) is the most prominent.
Basically, Corbyn is a shit choice as the figurehead but a)it wasn't really planned and b) who else is there?
But, what do I care? I'm not a Labour supporter.
Sure, the old white men in the media are just reprinting the same shit smears as the 1980s.
But more importantly Corbyn can't shake off his pals from then and their shitty Trot Lite cause based hobbyist. Of which Palestine (and the anti-Semitism that that attracts) is the most prominent.
Basically, Corbyn is a shit choice as the figurehead but a)it wasn't really planned and b) who else is there?
But, what do I care? I'm not a Labour supporter.
greenfield
Former lurker
Why is McDonnell so hated amongst the PLP?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
From long before Corbyn won the leadership election - he has an abrasive debating style, he could start a fight in an empty room. Since Corbyn won the the leadership election his approach and personality have, err... magnified.
Doesn't play well with others.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Magnified? Quite the opposite, he’s been seen as the ameliorating force trying to hold the main party wings together. Among the centre left MPs his standing has risen.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I note that the Tory splitters were talking about ‘destroying the party’. Did wonder if this sort of statement was thought through and planned in order to separate the new group from the tories in the eye of Labour supporters, so that it doesn’t put them off engaging with the new group. Easy to say ‘but there’s tories in with that lot’, but gives a defence of ‘ah, but they hate the tories, so not really’.
Think I predicted a while back that Brexit would somehow turn out fucking up Labour the same way the Scottish Indy ref did, despite it being a Tory mess, and maybe this new grouping will be the way this happens. Fucking Tory rule forever.
Think I predicted a while back that Brexit would somehow turn out fucking up Labour the same way the Scottish Indy ref did, despite it being a Tory mess, and maybe this new grouping will be the way this happens. Fucking Tory rule forever.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Does he post on here?
Magari!
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
1. The middle class composition and the concomitant imperialism of the left - culturally, in respect of values, methods etc have turned off a massive segment of the working class who know that the culture, values and methods aren’t theirs.
2. The old Labour Party once looked low and professed to represent a particular type of working class person- White, Industrial, socially conservative. As that group in society has become peripheralised, the left has lost interest in them and their issues but, and this is important, the lefts focus on anti racism, gender etc has created a schism as these groups are perceived to undermine the previous relative privilege that the aforementioned group once enjoyed by that group.
3. Labour has increased its popular support on economic issues as it become increasingly clear that financial liberalism is a disaster. But on social liberalism it hasn’t and it’s the latter where the battle have and are increasingly being fought.
2. The old Labour Party once looked low and professed to represent a particular type of working class person- White, Industrial, socially conservative. As that group in society has become peripheralised, the left has lost interest in them and their issues but, and this is important, the lefts focus on anti racism, gender etc has created a schism as these groups are perceived to undermine the previous relative privilege that the aforementioned group once enjoyed by that group.
3. Labour has increased its popular support on economic issues as it become increasingly clear that financial liberalism is a disaster. But on social liberalism it hasn’t and it’s the latter where the battle have and are increasingly being fought.
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