Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[teqniq]

Interesting. I guess it would make sense to hang her out to dry if they feel they have enough evidence seeing as how she's decided to jump ship to... well somewhere anyway.

Labour reports former MP Joan Ryan over alleged data breach

 

[Wilf]

Interesting. I guess it would make sense to hang her out to dry if they feel they have enough evidence seeing as how she's decided to jump ship to... well somewhere anyway.

Labour reports former MP Joan Ryan over alleged data breach

From reading that it's pretty clear that Leslie is admitting accessing the data up until they left, but not after. Can't see Labour getting very far with this. Or is the issue about further storage/use of the data after leaving, rather than the point when they accessed it?

 

[killer b]

the final sentence of that article is fabulous. You can tell the journo writing it is aroused.

The newly formed group, whose members also include Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Anna Soubry and Sarah Wollaston, has already built up a significant social media presence, gaining more Twitter followers since its formation on Monday than the leftwing grassroots group Momentum.

 

[killer b]

From reading that it's pretty clear that Leslie is admitting accessing the data up until they left, but not after. Can't see Labour getting very far with this. Or is the issue about further storage/use of the data after leaving, rather than the point when they accessed it?

They reckon Ryan tried to access it after she'd left the party. Should be easy enough to prove if true.

 

[Sue]

From reading that it's pretty clear that Leslie is admitting accessing the data up until they left, but not after. Can't see Labour getting very far with this. Or is the issue about further storage/use of the data after leaving, rather than the point when they accessed it?

I imagine it's both. Tbh, they didn't really have a choice about reporting a breach/suspected breach. There are pretty serious consequences if they aren't reported or aren't reported within the required timeframe.

 

[Wilf]

They reckon Ryan tried to access it after she'd left the party. Should be easy enough to prove if true.

Yeah but, given the straight denials, I wondered whether this might be some grey area, timewise. Or alternatively, about taking data that had previously been accessed.

 

[redsquirrel]

They reckon Ryan tried to access it after she'd left the party. Should be easy enough to prove if true.

That's what I thought, but Formby's statement is more ambiguous

“Data held by the party, including within Contact Creator and other systems used for election or other campaigning work, may only be accessed by individuals who are authorised to access it, and may be used only for purposes authorised by the party as data controller.

(my emphasis)
Someone accessing data while still officially a Labour MP and then resigning and making use of that data could also be a breach.

 

[killer b]

I desperately hope she gets done for data fraud and sent down, triggering a by-election.

 

[redsquirrel]

I desperately hope she gets done for data fraud and sent down, triggering a by-election.

That would be a nice bonus.

 

[rekil]

meanwhile everyone else:

Chuka anytime one of the others gets a telly appearance instead of him.

Spoiler

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've googled about Berger a bit further, and it's unclear at best if she had a police escort at the Liverpool conference. What I do know is that that would not be enough to satisfy the person who brought this one to my attention.

I'm not a fan. As frogwoman can confirm, Berger attempted to get the Islamic Society at SOAS closed down on claims by the UJS (that's the Union of Jewish Students, for you non-Chosen People). This was soon after she left the NUS (she was on the NUS NEC). She then attempted to pass the buck onto other UJS members, when things got heated.

 

[Gramsci]

Bit late at night. Been reading some of posts.

As I said previously I live in Lambeth. Coldharbour Ward. Counts as one of the most deprived 20% in the country.

Chuka is New Labour as is the Labour Council.

Whilst in Lambeth most people oppose Brexit that does not mean people support New Labour.

Chuka is on the right of the party. He opposed Corbyn from the start. Before the anti semitism became an issue.

From his early days he has moved to the right. That is why his independent group can have Tories in it.

Setting aside Corbyn what he disagrees with is class politics.

As my fellow Lambeth resident Brixton Hatter pointed out the long queues at foodbanks in his constituency are something he didn't bring up when announcing the Independent group.

The fact that he is quite happy at having Tories in his Independent group says something.

London is increasingly becoming more divided between the haves and have nots.

I don't see Chuka taking an interest in that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Berger has actually been targeted though hasn't she, by some far right nutjob? Given what happened to Jo Cox it wouldn't be a surprise if she did have personal security, I wouldn't be surprised if lots did.

Yes, she's been targeted a lot by the right, merely for being Jewish, and yes she's had SOME stick from Momentum members that was entirely unjustified, but she's also made claims that communications with her that purely criticised Zionist policy in Israel in polite terms, was "anti-Semitic". She also has form pre-Westminster for stirring up wasp nests with regard to Israel and anti-Semitism.

 

[ViolentPanda]

why are they called Tigger?

Because they want to ruin my childhood memories, the bastards!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Chuka is my MP. He's such a slimy disingenuous opportunist.

Mine too, and I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[teqniq]

Gramsci Been said before but Chuka Umanna is only interested in Chuka Umunna.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I don't see Chuka taking an interest in that.

dunno. he seems to have had a couple of donations from Intro Developments, who seem to be a property developer.

 

[Gramsci]

dunno. he seems to have had a couple of donations from Intro Developments, who seem to be a property developer.

I see he is paying himself for the work he does on his think-tank. Nice

From 1 August 2018 until further notice, chair of the Advisory Board of The Progressive Centre UK think tank (also known as Global Progress (London) Ltd), of 9 Chamberlain House, 126 Westminster Bridge Road, London SE1 7UR. I expect to spend approximately 12 hours each month on my duties as Chair and on preparing publications and other content, in return for a monthly payment of £5,420 (£65,040 a year). (Registered 10 October 2018)

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why is McDonnell so hated amongst the PLP?

For the same reason he was hated at the GLC - because (unlike Ken Livingstone) he's never been remotely interested in winning people round to his view. His view is the right view, and if you don't agree, then you don't exist. This has pissed many of the PLP off - usually the ones who don't look beyond his abrasive personality, at what he's actually saying.

 

[Streathamite]

Voted labour all my life except the last GE (went LibDem). Corbyn and the current regime does not represent centre-leftists remainers (like me).

Corbyn IS centre left! It's just that British politics has shifted so far right.
Tbh,y you're centre right

 

[Streathamite]

For the same reason he was hated at the GLC - because (unlike Ken Livingstone) he's never been remotely interested in winning people round to his view. His view is the right view, and if you don't agree, then you don't exist. This has pissed many of the PLP off - usually the ones who don't look beyond his abrasive personality, at what he's actually saying.

A bit like a Denis Healey of the left, tbh! Tbf,he's got more conciliatory over the past few years

 

[8ball]

For the same reason he was hated at the GLC - because (unlike Ken Livingstone) he's never been remotely interested in winning people round to his view. His view is the right view, and if you don't agree, then you don't exist. This has pissed many of the PLP off - usually the ones who don't look beyond his abrasive personality, at what he's actually saying.

He always seems quite genial to me in a curmudgeonly sort of way.

 

[ViolentPanda]

A bit like a Denis Healey of the left, tbh! Tbf,he's got more conciliatory over the past few years

He was a right cunt at the GLC. Worst thing was he couldn't understand why people would walk the other way if they saw him coming!

 

[Brixton Hatter]

If there’s a general election anytime soon, this lot are absolutely finished. Would any of them keep their seats? I can’t see it myself.

 

[Raheem]

If there’s a general election anytime soon, this lot are absolutely finished. Would any of them keep their seats? I can’t see it myself.

Would they necessarily stand for their own seats though?

 

[kebabking]

If there’s a general election anytime soon, this lot are absolutely finished. Would any of them keep their seats? I can’t see it myself.

Sarah Woolaston might, she's popular within the constituency as a GP and being pretty outspoken on health issues, but she's all over the road on Brexit - having offended all sides - and she's unlikely to be winning points by (arguably) making TM's life more difficult.

I assume that Anna Soubry is popular within her constituency - otherwise she'd have have been deselected by now, so far off the normal Tory reservation is she...

 

[Whagwan]

Nope Soubry only has a majority of 839. She lost 8 points in the Corbz swing between 2015 and 2017.

 

[agricola]

Sarah Woolaston might, she's popular within the constituency as a GP and being pretty outspoken on health issues, but she's all over the road on Brexit - having offended all sides - and she's unlikely to be winning points by (arguably) making TM's life more difficult.

I assume that Anna Soubry is popular within her constituency - otherwise she'd have have been deselected by now, so far off the normal Tory reservation is she...

I don't think they had had much time to start down that road as it is - she didn't really have a history of rebellion and it wasn't until election night that she spoke out (and that was about how rubbish the campaign / the PM was). Most of her ardent anti-Brexit stuff dates from after then as well.

 

[8ball]

Nope Soubry only has a majority of 839. She lost 8 points in the Corbz swing between 2015 and 2017.

I live in the constituency. I think that majority of 839 is long gone judging by what people are saying.

 

[Wookey]

I live in the constituency. I think that majority of 839 is long gone judging by what people are saying.

Is the word on the street that she like, a dead lady walkin?