Can't wait! OrangeFest is almost here!!

[seeformiles]

It's alarming to me how close those things are to people's houses. Who's liable when someone's house catches fire due to one of those massive deathtraps spitting an ember out?

Round our way, they would sometimes build them in the middle of the road - burning tarmac and all. Occasionally windows would shatter in the heat but the cannier homeowner would board them up in advance. Then, later on, some of the bolder/stupid drunken wankers would start trying to jump through the flames - with various degrees of success (& burns). All good fun

 

[krtek a houby]

I don't feel any sadder about this guy falling from a bonfire than I would about a KKK member dying in a freak accident after his white robes got caught in an escalator.

Burning crosses, churches, burning flags etc... The KKK aren't a million miles away from loyalists...

 

[spitfire]

 

[N_igma]

Some of the messages and posters on the bonfires here. Sectarianism, racism, misogyny and all the hatred in the world encapsulated into one night of toxic fumes. For some context both Taig and Fenian are derogatory slurs for Irish Catholics. KAT means ‘Kill all Taigs’. If this happened anywhere else in the UK against any other minority grouping there would be outrage from across the political spectrum. It goes barely unnoticed here.

 

[LiamO]

Some of the messages and posters on the bonfires here. Sectarianism, racism, misogyny and all the hatred in the world encapsulated into one night of toxic fumes. For some context both Taig and Fenian are derogatory slurs for Irish Catholics. KAT means ‘Kill all Taigs’. If this happened anywhere else in the UK against any other minority grouping there would be outrage from across the political spectrum. It goes barely unnoticed here.

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Ahh. At least they are finally embracing diversity.

These clearly show that as well as the usual 'Kill All Taigs' and Sinn Fein election posters on their pyre, they have included liberal unionists (Alliance) and Socialists (People Before Profit) who obviously all need burnt too... and also pushed the boat out financially and put a brand-new Celtic top on too (although that is far more likely to have been stripped from the back of random, unlucky, passing Fenian).

For further (British) context/relevance just take out the word 'Taigs' and insert 'N*****s', 'P***s', Jews or 'Yids'. Oh how the media would celebrate this community festival.

 

[A380]

Whether this sort of death is hilarious or a tragic loss to everything decent is bound to vary according to individual pallets.

You mean we should look at the arguments on both sides and then see how they stack up?

 

[LiamO]

Just take a scroll through these... and some of the other articles (listing road closures, trips down Memory Lane etc). All content. No comment. And no mention of the political posters, flags, misogyny, racism etc.

In pictures: Eleventh Night bonfires lit across Northern Ireland

Around 250 bonfires were lit across the region

www.belfastlive.co.uk

READ NEXT:

• The Twelfth: Weather forecast for Northern Ireland with very warm temperatures expected
• Twelfth of July: Timings for all the parades happening across Northern Ireland
• Twelfth of July: Belfast shopping centre opening hours for holiday weekend
• Craigyhill bonfire builders 'break world record' for largest ever pyre

 

[likesfish]

Burning crosses, churches, burning flags etc... The KKK aren't a million miles away from loyalists...

The loyalists are still peeved about their cunning plan to cosplay the Southern USA, which failed because the catholic population refused to wear blackface.
still think deporting all the headbangers to west Falkland they won't notice the difference it's cold and wet. Annoying the Catholics with a bonfire will keep them occupied building a pallet fire that can been seen from 400 miles away will take all year

 

[Pickman's model]

Just take a scroll through these... and some of the other articles (listing road closures, trips down Memory Lane etc). All content. No comment. And no mention of the political posters, flags, misogyny, racism etc.

In pictures: Eleventh Night bonfires lit across Northern Ireland

Around 250 bonfires were lit across the region

www.belfastlive.co.uk

READ NEXT:

• The Twelfth: Weather forecast for Northern Ireland with very warm temperatures expected
• Twelfth of July: Timings for all the parades happening across Northern Ireland
• Twelfth of July: Belfast shopping centre opening hours for holiday weekend
• Craigyhill bonfire builders 'break world record' for largest ever pyre

anyone who wishes to explore this fascinating work can find it at Ancient symbol worship. Influence of the phallic idea in the religions of antiquity. : Hodder M. Westropp; C. Staniland Wake; Alexander Wilder : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[LiamO]

Flags and bunting ripped down in 'hate crime' ahead of Twelfth gathering in Co Tyrone​

Paul Ainsworth
12 July, 2022 03:00

UNION flags and bunting have been torn down ahead of Twelfth celebrations at a field in Co Tyrone in what police are treating as a hate crime.
The incident at the village of Castlecaufield has been condemned as a "sectarian motivated action" by an MLA.
It is understood the items were targeted at around 9.30pm on Sunday at the field on the outskirts of the village, which will host a gathering of Orange Order members today.
UUP MLA for Fermanagh and South Tyrone, Tom Elliott, said the vandalism was "absolutely disgraceful".

"A lot of hard work goes into preparation for the Twelfth and to see such bigoted behaviour towards our culture is disheartening," Mr Elliott said.

Flags and bunting ripped down in 'hate crime' ahead of Twelfth gathering in Co Tyrone

UNION flags and bunting have been torn down ahead of Twelfth celebrations at a field in Co Tyrone in what police are treating as a hate crime.

www.irishnews.com

 

[Sue]

Flags and bunting ripped down in 'hate crime' ahead of Twelfth gathering in Co Tyrone​

Paul Ainsworth
12 July, 2022 03:00

UNION flags and bunting have been torn down ahead of Twelfth celebrations at a field in Co Tyrone in what police are treating as a hate crime.
The incident at the village of Castlecaufield has been condemned as a "sectarian motivated action" by an MLA.
It is understood the items were targeted at around 9.30pm on Sunday at the field on the outskirts of the village, which will host a gathering of Orange Order members today.
UUP MLA for Fermanagh and South Tyrone, Tom Elliott, said the vandalism was "absolutely disgraceful".

"A lot of hard work goes into preparation for the Twelfth and to see such bigoted behaviour towards our culture is disheartening," Mr Elliott said.

Flags and bunting ripped down in 'hate crime' ahead of Twelfth gathering in Co Tyrone

UNION flags and bunting have been torn down ahead of Twelfth celebrations at a field in Co Tyrone in what police are treating as a hate crime.

www.irishnews.com

Who're the real victims, eh?

 

[LiamO]

Saw this on a friends FB memories ...

"Funny how Loyalists repeatedly demand that every body in the world respect their flag and then burn everybody else's on the top of their bonfires."

BTW... this 'FB Memory' is from 9 years ago. Heartening to see how much things have moved on since.

 

[LiamO]

The gift that keeps on giving...

 

[Aladdin]

If I built a huge bonfire like those on a housing estate in hampshire there would be repercussions, If I did it year in year out then eventually id be locked up, even if it was nov 5th

The state and their local community is facilitating this shitty behavior

It's their "tradition" and their "tradition" is literally all they have to cling on to. They are feeling threatened by change. And as a group, they held absolute power in NI for a long time...they treated Catholics like scum. Literally.
They are 100% terrified that they will lose power and will in turn be treated in the manner they treated Catholics for decades.
So they cling to their "traditions" and paraphernalia and their bullish bonfire monstrosities designed to show those who are "others" that they are strong powerful and not to be messed with.

Kids and families go along to these bonfires and next day bring picnics and play games. A family day out. Just a bit of fun...but all the while it's a definite direct message to one other group living in NI.

They do need to evolve a lot more.
The bonfire groups are entrenched in this mentality. Locked in. It'll take a hell of a lot to dig them out of their own trenches.

 

[Aladdin]

Flags and bunting ripped down in 'hate crime' ahead of Twelfth gathering in Co Tyrone​

Paul Ainsworth
12 July, 2022 03:00

UNION flags and bunting have been torn down ahead of Twelfth celebrations at a field in Co Tyrone in what police are treating as a hate crime.
The incident at the village of Castlecaufield has been condemned as a "sectarian motivated action" by an MLA.
It is understood the items were targeted at around 9.30pm on Sunday at the field on the outskirts of the village, which will host a gathering of Orange Order members today.
UUP MLA for Fermanagh and South Tyrone, Tom Elliott, said the vandalism was "absolutely disgraceful".

"A lot of hard work goes into preparation for the Twelfth and to see such bigoted behaviour towards our culture is disheartening," Mr Elliott said.

Flags and bunting ripped down in 'hate crime' ahead of Twelfth gathering in Co Tyrone

UNION flags and bunting have been torn down ahead of Twelfth celebrations at a field in Co Tyrone in what police are treating as a hate crime.

www.irishnews.com

The Biggest Billy Bollocks BIGOTS on the island....telling the little guy he is a bigot.
And the "free press" backing the Biggest Billy Bollocks Bigots

 

[LiamO]

They are 100% terrified that they will lose power and will in turn be treated in the manner they treated Catholics for decades.

Even though Nationalists/Catholics/Republicans consistently state that is a situation which they would happily fight against.

I'll tell you the essential difference between the two positions. Every community has it's share of bigots. It's not about whether bigots exist or not, but instead about how the rest of the community reacts, responds and interacts with them.

Anybody and anybody in a republican community coming out with shite like that would immediately be taken to task - by their own side. I can think of NO social situation where I would not feel able to speak up or where I would not expect anybody from little old ladies to teenagers to freely 'pull' people spouting such shite. I can think of dozens of examples.

Contrast that with the Orange mob, where anyone speaking up against Sectarianism risks being socially ostracised or (much) worse. They live in fear of being called a 'Lundy'. To the extent that a roomful of apparently 'normal' people in an Orange Lodge can sit smiling, laughing, cheering and singing along whilst a group of men sing a cheery little ditty about a young woman (with no political affiliations, but who's father is a high-profile sportsperson who happens to be a catholic) being murdered on her honeymoon in Mauritius and nobody - not fuckin one - feels they could interject and say "Here, hang on a minute..."

It is fascism, plain and simple.

 

[Aladdin]

Even though Nationalists/Catholics/Republicans consistently state that is a situation which they would happily fight against.

I'll tell you the essential difference between the two positions. Every community has it's share of bigots. It's not about whether bigots exist or not, but instead about how the rest of the community reacts, responds and interacts with them.

Anybody and anybody in a republican community coming out with shite like that would immediately be taken to task - by their own side. I can think of NO social situation where I would not feel able to speak up or where I would not expect anybody from little old ladies to teenagers to freely 'pull' people spouting such shite. I can think of dozens of examples.

Contrast that with the Orange mob, where anyone speaking up against Sectarianism risks being socially ostracised or (much) worse. They live in fear of being calles a 'Lundy'. To the extent that a roomful of apparently 'normal' people in an Orange Lodge can sit smiling, laughing, cheering and singing along whilst a group of men sing a cheery little ditty about a young woman (with no political affiliations, but who's father is a high-profile sportsperson who happens to be a catholic) being murdered on her honeymoon in Mauritius and nobody - not fuckin one - feels they could interject and say "Here, hang on a minute..."

It is fascism, plain and simple.

100% in agreement.

Very well put.

 

[flypanam]

A mate sent me a message about some lad on his street had a tricolour hanging in his window, had his windows smashed two PSNI (RUC) just stood by, enjoying it.

 

[Numbers]

A mate sent me a message about some lad on his street had a tricolour hanging in his window, had his windows smashed two PSNI (RUC) just stood by, enjoying it.

Is it the young lad who threw a bin at a marching band?

e2a:

 

[flypanam]

Must be. That was stupid.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Fuck around find out I guess

 

[Numbers]

Must be. That was stupid.

If the PSNI weren't there it probably would have been a lot worse so the 'just stood by, enjoying it' is a bit wide of the mark.

 

[flypanam]

I’m only repeating what I got in WhatsApp message, but yes you’re right.

 

[Numbers]

Not having a go or anything mate, I came across that video earlier by chance whilst reading one of the other threads posted. Just shows you how mis-information can be shared. If it is the same incident obvs.

 

[LiamO]

If the PSNI weren't there it probably would have been a lot worse so the 'just stood by, enjoying it' is a bit wide of the mark.

Looked to me like the cops were banging on the door at the end, no doubt intending to lift the irate young citizen (Whom I must admit looked a little the worse for wear). I'm sure his family/housemates will be delighted the wee dick has made their home a target.

Didn't see any of them make a move on the middle-aged, outraged bandsman who fucked a bin through the window though. Never mind, it's not like they can't easily identify him from their bodycam footage is it?

e2a. For the benefit of Constable McNeely, the fella you are looking for is the one with the big beer-belly, carrying the big drum.

 

[LiamO]

Was reading the other day that the men 'playing' the Lambeg on Orange marches end up with bleeding knuckles cos the Sally Rods they use to beat them are so thin and flexible.

The others, of course, often also end up with bleeding knuckles... but that's from dragging them along the ground.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's their "tradition" and their "tradition" is literally all they have to cling on to. They are feeling threatened by change. And as a group, they held absolute power in NI for a long time...they treated Catholics like scum. Literally.
They are 100% terrified that they will lose power and will in turn be treated in the manner they treated Catholics for decades.
So they cling to their "traditions" and paraphernalia and their bullish bonfire monstrosities designed to show those who are "others" that they are strong powerful and not to be messed with.

Kids and families go along to these bonfires and next day bring picnics and play games. A family day out. Just a bit of fun...but all the while it's a definite direct message to one other group living in NI.

They do need to evolve a lot more.
The bonfire groups are entrenched in this mentality. Locked in. It'll take a hell of a lot to dig them out of their own trenches.

It's shit when you think of it, ordinary working class Protestants and Catholics have, for the most part, been ignored or shat on by the various wielders of power in Stormont, Dublin and Westminster.

There's a commonality between the people, an inherent unity that can be built on.

 

[A380]

...

e2a. For the benefit of Constable McNeely, the fella you are looking for is the one with the big beer-belly, carrying the big drum.

Presumably that narrows the pool of suspects down to about 25,000...

 

[Numbers]

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Fucking Hell. Being an English person living in England, I knew very little about this stuff. It's certainly not given any coverage in the media.