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Athos said:
Meh. I struggle to have too much sympathy for someone who died whilst helping to organise a sectarian event.
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Much as I really dislike the Orange order and Otangemen....
This guy was a product of an environment. He was reared to detest the other side.
His death will be mourned by those who knew him as a person.

NI really REALLY needs to move away from sectarianism. And that wont happen as long as one person's death is mocked by those who don't agree with his politics or sectarianism or bigotry.

These bonfires are designed to intimidate the "other side", the "papists"...(most of whom are now pretty much Catholic by name and not much else)

So..maybe..hopefully...this person's death will lead to some "thought process" that asks "why are we still doing this crazy shit?"

Eta....sadly I doubt there will be any depth of thought beyond "fuck the Taigs"
 
Aladdin said:
Much as I really dislike the Orange order and Otangemen....
This guy was a product of an environment. He was reared to detest the other side.
His death will be mourned by those who knew him as a person.

NI really REALLY needs to move away from sectarianism. And that wont happen as long as one person's death is mocked by those who don't agree with his politics or sectarianism or bigotry.

These bonfires are designed to intimidate the "other side", the "papists"...(most of whom are now pretty much Catholic by name and not much else)

So..maybe..hopefully...this person's death will lead to some "thought process" that asks "why are we still doing this crazy shit?"

Eta....sadly I doubt there will be any depth of thought beyond "fuck the Taigs"
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Sadly, we have the same sectarianism in Scotland, mostly in the West thankfully. (I live in the East.)
 
Aladdin said:
Much as I really dislike the Orange order and Otangemen....
This guy was a product of an environment. He was reared to detest the other side.
His death will be mourned by those who knew him as a person.

NI really REALLY needs to move away from sectarianism. And that wont happen as long as one person's death is mocked by those who don't agree with his politics or sectarianism or bigotry.

These bonfires are designed to intimidate the "other side", the "papists"...(most of whom are now pretty much Catholic by name and not much else)

So..maybe..hopefully...this person's death will lead to some "thought process" that asks "why are we still doing this crazy shit?"

Eta....sadly I doubt there will be any depth of thought beyond "fuck the Taigs"
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The north won’t move away from sectarianism. It was founded as a sectarian state, it remains a sectarian state. All the sinners sitting in stormont doesn’t change that. Nor will platitudes of moving on.

I really feel for them northern loyalist, mocked, treated like shit, with only one month a year when they can feel proud, talk about the psychological wages of Orangeism. Still staying with their abusive partner for fear of change.

Although some may mock this poor lads death, i personally don’t know anyone who wouldn’t see it as a terrible waste of a life.
 
flypanam said:
The north won’t move away from sectarianism. It was founded as a sectarian state, it remains a sectarian state. All the sinners sitting in stormont doesn’t change that. Nor will platitudes of moving on.

I really feel for them northern loyalist, mocked, treated like shit, with only one month a year when they can feel proud, talk about the psychological wages of Orangeism. Still staying with their abusive partner for fear of change.

Although some may mock this poor lads death, i personally don’t know anyone who wouldn’t see it as a terrible waste of a life.
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I agree with you on most of this.

One of my very good friends was reared in a predominantly Protestant area. She and her family were Catholic. She was born into 1950s NI.
They got on with their neighbours. Her family had no problems with neighbours throughout the 50s and most of the 60s. Her dad did have problems as regards work though...and...when the 12th July came along...all the neighbours without fail distanced themselves from her family. The "good mornin" didnt happen. There was a distinct change for about 3 weeks in July.

Roll on to the Troubles and as a young newly married woman she left NI. For good.

Sectarianism was there from the beginning of the last century..and before that it was everywhere but somewhat diluted in comparison.
You are right there. But it worsened massively when Catholics in NI sought to be treated the same as their Protestant neighbours...in terms of work..ability to vote..ability to own a home. They were treated as undesirable. Harrassed. Bullied. Terrorised. Yet they have turned around to attempt to make some peace. There are many Protestants who also want to move on and have NI working properly. The massive fly in the ointment are the extremists. And the Orangemen are doing themselves no favours by continuing to burn Catholoc effigies and making it blatantly clear that they still abhor the "other side".
 
Sasaferrato said:
I don't really have much respect for you as a decent human being then. Only a cunt sees the death of a young man as irrelevant because of their religious view.
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Lol, religious view. You clearly don't understand what these bonfires are about, if you think it's merely an expression of their Christian faith. They're expressions of sectarian hatred and intimidation.
 
Athos said:
Lol, religious view. You clearly don't understand what these bonfires are about, if you think it's merely an expression of their Christian faith. They're expressions of sectarian hatred and intimidation.
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It still doesn't excuse your revolting comment.
 
Athos said:
What's revolting about it. I've not laughed at, or reveled in, his death; I merely lack sympathy for someone who died whilst participating in what would be considered a hate crime in any other context (and the dangers of which were obvious). Your outrage seems a bit OTT.
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Whatever. I have your measure.
 
Sasaferrato said:
I don't really have much respect for you as a decent human being then. Only a cunt sees the death of a young man as irrelevant because of their religious view.
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I ain't got a dog in this fight but think this statement is way off the mark.
Anti abortionists, homophobes and racists have bullied, attacked and killed in the name of religion.
I'd have no sympathy if one of them died in similar circumstances.
 
Sectarian cunts on both sides are scum. This fella wasn’t a young man, if by his 30’s he hadn’t worked out what his actions were about that would be sad, but most people know they are propagating hate, so it makes it hard to sympathise when a grown man takes himself out of the game whilst constructing a symbol of hatred.
 
comrade spurski said:
I ain't got a dog in this fight but think this statement is way off the mark.
Anti abortionists, homophobes and racists have bullied, attacked and killed in the name of religion.
I'd have no sympathy if one of them died in similar circumstances.
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I would have no sympathy for their cause, however, the death of a person has a big effect in the lives of others. To say that a death is not worthy of sympathy because of their views is nasty. I'm no fan of Corbyn, but were to die, my thoughts would be with the family and their loss.

People are not Catholics, Republicans or Politicians, they are fathers, mothers, sons daughters, cousins... Frankly anyone who delights in the death of another because of their views needs to have a long hard look at themselves.
 
comrade spurski said:
I ain't got a dog in this fight but think this statement is way off the mark.
Anti abortionists, homophobes and racists have bullied, attacked and killed in the name of religion.
I'd have no sympathy if one of them died in similar circumstances.
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Quite. Wonder if Sas grieves jihadist suicide bombers.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Sectarian cunts on both sides are scum. This fella wasn’t a young man, if by his 30’s he hadn’t worked out what his actions were about that would be sad, but most people know they are propagating hate, so it makes it hard to sympathise when a grown man takes himself out of the game whilst constructing a symbol of hatred.
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They certainly are, the absolute dregs of perverted humanity. I most certainly do not endorse the rest of your post.
 
Sasaferrato said:
I would have no sympathy for their cause, however, the death of a person has a big effect in the lives of others. To say that a death is not worthy of sympathy because of their views is nasty. I'm no fan of Corbyn, but were to die, my thoughts would be with the family and their loss.

People are not Catholics, Republicans or Politicians, they are fathers, mothers, sons daughters, cousins... Frankly anyone who delights in the death of another because of their views needs to have a long hard look at themselves.
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Nobody here has "delighted" in it, though, have they?
 
Athos said:
Quite. Wonder if Sas grieves jihadist suicide bombers.
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I grieve that they have done it, I grieve that they have been taught that it is something to do. I grieve for the people they have killed in the mistaken belief that it is a holy act.

However, as you have been called many times for your comments on the boards, I'll leave it at that.
 
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