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My parents neighbour will be off to Rossnowlagh tomorrow. He and his family will come back and their cattle will have been watered and their dogs fed, by my taigy parents. That's Monaghan for you.

The same in Cavan and in Donegal itself.

The Rossnowlagh Orange walk is a perfectly legitimate cultural expression. Never any hassle. Never any trouble.

In the summer of '94, I saw an Orange Picnic/Fete once in a wee village outside Clones called Kileevan - our club (from England) were playing Gaelic football at the GAA club right next door. It was 'policed' by two fat Guards, sat on a wall working on their Farmer's suntans - and making themselves fatter by accepting buns from passing Orangemen and their families. Passing locals beeped their horns and waved. Proper order.

Go the same distance from Clones in the other direction - crossing the border, into Newtownbutler or Lisnakea - and it was a completely different story. Dozens of riot-clad, armed RUC men complete with a dozen or so armoured jeeps were a pre-requisite.

Partition is the problem.

*for the benefit of those who may not be aware, Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan are the three Ulster counties that remained south of the Border after partition - abandoned by their 'comrades' in the six counties because the number of resident taigs made the arithmetic for 'A Protestant State for a Protestant people' somewhat challenging.
 
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What's the worst that can happen? :hmm:



Aye, but oor bone-farr wuz here long before they built thon Petrol Station. Shoulda thought about that before they gave them planning permission.

If it all goes, literally, up in smoke then WE THE PEEPUL know the blame will lie fairly and squarely with the planners for their arrogant disregard for our kultcha.


Towering loyalist bonfire built near petrol station
 
The same in Monaghan and Donegal itself.

The Rossnowlagh Orange walk is a perfectly legitimate cultural expression.

I saw an Orange Picnic/Fete once in a wee village outside Clones called Kileevan. It was 'Policed' by two fat Guards, sat on a wall sunning themselves - and making themselves fatter by accepting buns from every passing Orangeman and their families. Passing locals beeped their horns and waved.

Go the same distance from Clones in the other direction - crossing 5he border, into Newtownbutler or Lisnakea - and dozens of riot-clad, armed RUC men complete with a dozen or so armoured jeeps were a pre-requisite.

Partition is the problem.

*for the benefit of those who may not be aware, Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan are the three Ulster counties that remained south of the Border after partition - abandoned by their 'comrades' in the six counties because the number of resident taigs meant the arithmetic for 'A Protestant State for a Protestant people' somewhat challenging.

When was this? I know Kileevan well enough. I know that Drum has a post 12th picnic.

The OO has been active quite a bit in Monaghan. They've had roadshows in Newbliss and the re-opening of the Clontibret lodge.
 
When was this? I know Kileevan well enough. I know that Drum has a post 12th picnic.

The OO has been active quite a bit in Monaghan. They've had roadshows in Newbliss and the re-opening of the Clontibret lodge.

1994. Pre- ceasefire.

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I was shown some go pro footage on a phone tonight of a cycle path type thing on the edge of east Belfast . The comber greenway ...an absolute fortune was spent on beautifying the place and making it accessible to cyclists, walkers, tourists etc .It's an absolute fucking tip . Pallets and rubbish strewn for hundreds of metres .Stacked , piled and dumped everywhere along the route . and that was just the very short clip I was shown . In the middle of fucking summer along the very route they expect tourists to wak and cycle on, take in the scenery . An absolute fucking tip . Literally a tip . And next week it'll be a smouldering tip littered with thousands of bottles and beer cans . Millions of pounds down the fucking tubes yet again .

This article has people and politicians complaining about the destruction from months back....back in fucking march for christs sake... so you can just imagine how bad it is now .
Needs to be seen to be believed .

Fury as bonfire materials are dumped on new Greenway - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
 
So are these some sort of sacred sight from the 1600's or something or just chosen to be as stupid as possible.
 
So are these some sort of sacred sight from the 1600's or something or just chosen to be as stupid as possible.

Didn't you know that in 1690 apprentice boys defended the Belfast petrol, LPG and Camping Gaz depot from James's cavalry? Whilst in Dungannon a company of William's troops turned back their enemy at the very gates of a firework factory located next to a tyre and old Christmas tree recycling plant.
 
Possible states we could off load NI too if the south dont want them.

The US they managed to buy the wrong bridge so that should be easy
Quatar they need a bolthole
Israel they can shift some settlers there :D
China they are always after land can probably be dragged into a bidding war with Putin.
South African Boers they are long lost cousins after all.
Spain they like overseas poessions
Argentina cant afford them.
 
Culture night is almost upon us...can't wait!

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South African Boers they are long lost cousins after all.

Might be part of the wrong cultural tradition, although I think that relationship might have soured somewhat.

I think your Qatar idea is a cracker though, maybe the only state willing to front the capital demanded.

As a child I was always confused by the Israeli flags I saw flying on our estate, I had the religious education to recognise the symbology but no idea why they were being flown there.
 
Culture night is almost upon us...can't wait!

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In all seriousness, genuine question, don't any of these people stop and think that this is really not what grown-ups do? :confused: If it was a case of on some "important date", make wee bonfires and have a few sparklers or fireworks for to amuse the children, and some lemonade and beer and stuff and possibly baked potatoes for when the evening grows cold, well, that would seem more like a harmless bit of fun.

But actual adults going around "acquiring" hundreds of wooden pallets, then attaching posters of anybody they don't like? Bloody weird and daft.

Anyone from the six counties able to give an opinion about whether this stuff is gradually going away?
 
But actual adults going around "acquiring" hundreds of wooden pallets, then attaching posters of anybody they don't like? Bloody weird and daft.

Anyone from the six counties able to give an opinion about whether this stuff is gradually going away?

mu understanding is that its got worse since the GFA - as the loyalists feel like they are in retreat so assert their "culture" more avidly via celebrating their proud traditions - bonfires, flegs, marching, throwing nail bombs at primary school kids etc.
 
Ah, good, so it's a bit of excessive stuff because they can see that they're in retreat a bit? I like that idea.

BUT, this dammed DUP and Tories deal. Hell, they must think all their birthday presents arrived at once. They have more power now. :(
 
Ah, good, so it's a bit of excessive stuff because they can see that they're in retreat a bit? I like that idea.

BUT, this dammed DUP and Tories deal. Hell, they must think all their birthday presents arrived at once. They have more power now. :(
some green irish bod is trying to fund a legal challenge to the dup confidence and supply arrangement based on the fact that the british state is supposed to be a nuetral arbiter in the ongoing peace proccess and chucking the DUP a billion while getting into bed with them politically compromises that nuetrality. I think that is correct, but I don't see it going anywhere. Some DUP bod was reported to have said to Sinn Fein 'either stormont or westiminster' I.E where do you fancy taking your seats?

so they are already crowing about the new balance of power.
 
mu understanding is that its got worse since the GFA - as the loyalists feel like they are in retreat so assert their "culture" more avidly via celebrating their proud traditions - bonfires, flegs, marching, throwing nail bombs at primary school kids etc.

I've been aware of these bonfires for many years, my impression is they are getting bigger and more nutty, but I am not sure if that's just because they are reported more, and access to reports being easier due to the internet.

Anyway, reinforcing my belief the problem is getting worst, Belfast City Council has got a High Court injunction against some of the bonfires, although there seems some confusion over what it means, and buck passing about who should be enforcing it. :facepalm:

Police, council and fire service have to act if unsafe bonfires lit: Alliance - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

"The Ravenscroft Avenue bonfire would seem to be around 40ft tall and it is barely metres from homes, businesses and public property. So it now poses serious risk to public safety and obviously statutory bodies have to limit that risk."

"The fire service say that for every one metre high a bonfire is, it should be five metres away from structures. On those grounds it is almost impossible that anything other than safer alternative beacon should be lit at that Ravenscroft Avenue site. This should be the starting position.

Police warning over stretched resources amid fears of Eleventh Night tensions

In their statement the DUP and PUP called for a Cultural Convention to be held in the Autumn" to ensure that the Unionist Community can go forward with one voice in promoting our culture, heritage and tradition, as well as to ensure that our celebrations continue to be bigger, better and more successful than ever before".

So, the fuckwits in the DUP & PUP want the fucking fires to be bigger. :facepalm:

It's not going to be good tomorrow night.:(
 
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One thing that might end up doing the DUP and orange and similar no good at all is that now they're getting a lot more notice from mainstream British media, they might be a bit upset to find that everyone else thinks they are crazy daft weirdos. :D

Ach, fingers crossed, something will get through to their heads eventually.

Are there many young people involved in this stuff? Or is it mostly older people? If the young ones might move away from it, that would be good.
 
Good documentary.


Just started watching this, and the reporter turns up to interview a unionist band in their part of Belfast, and says, 'it's very British around here, look at all the union jack flags.'

Err, that's not British, I've never seen anywhere in Britain with so many flags flying on a 'normal day', that's because most of us are not fucking freaks.
 
A British-born supervisor of mine once told me that NI actually reminded her of Liberia - precisely because of the in-your-face-ness of the Union flag.
 
I've now watched that whole documentary, and that was 2013, I can't help thinking these orange twats are getting worst, and are on a mission to destroy 15-years of 'almost' peace.

FFS, what are wrong with these fuckwits, history is history, it's time to move on.
 
One thing that might end up doing the DUP and orange and similar no good at all is that now they're getting a lot more notice from mainstream British media, they might be a bit upset to find that everyone else thinks they are crazy daft weirdos. :D

Ach, fingers crossed, something will get through to their heads eventually.

Are there many young people involved in this stuff? Or is it mostly older people? If the young ones might move away from it, that would be good.
They've only had since 1690
 
I've been aware of these bonfires for many years, my impression is they are getting bigger and more nutty, but I am not sure if that's just because they are reported more, and access to reports being easier due to the internet.

Anyway, reinforcing my belief the problem is getting worst, Belfast City Council has got a High Court injunction against some of the bonfires, although there seems some confusion over what it means, and buck passing about who should be enforcing it. :facepalm:

Police, council and fire service have to act if unsafe bonfires lit: Alliance - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk



Police warning over stretched resources amid fears of Eleventh Night tensions



So, the fuckwits in the DUP & PUP want the fucking fires to be bigger. :facepalm:

It's not going to be good tomorrow night.:(
If it pisses it down it might be
 
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