Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I'm just here spitting straight facts. No capping. Haters can't get down? That's on them.
Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?
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Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Have to say i'm getting a bit suspicious of supermarket chicken. Portions are so small that I'm questioning the helath of the bird. What my local butcher, whom I can't afford, sells is markedly better quality.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Largeness of portion isn't necessarily an indicator of health. Fast-growing, big-breasted broilers are often not the healthiest of birds.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Whole birds will vary very little around 2kg (even when graded into sizes). Smalls/larges often go into cutting for portions.
There's a whole market for small, whole birds (Nandos, rotisserie).
editor
hiraethified
Handy tool here to compare the environmental impact of different foods, judged on "four key metrics: contribution to global warming, water use, nutrient pollution and disturbances to wildlife habitats."
Data source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41...Xp0=&tracking_referrer=www.washingtonpost.com
Data source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41...Xp0=&tracking_referrer=www.washingtonpost.com
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
So the researcher behind that work had this to say in the article linked below.
Measured by cumulative pressures, the top five offenders are pig, cow, rice, wheat and oil crops.
In order to feed a growing and increasingly wealthy global population while reducing environmental degradation and enhancing food security, major shifts will need to be made to current food systems, according to the researchers. In some cases, farming might need to improve efficiency; in other cases, consumers might need to change their food choices.
“We need this comprehensive information to make more accurate decisions about what we eat,” said Halpern, who modified his own food choices based on the results of this study.
“I became a pescatarian years ago because of wanting to reduce the environmental footprint of what I eat,” he said. “But then I thought, I’m a scientist, I should really use science to inform my decisions about what I eat. That’s actually why I started this research project. And now that we have the results, I see that from an environmental perspective, chicken is actually better than some seafood. And so I’ve shifted my diet to start including chicken again, while eliminating some high-pressure seafoods like bottom-trawl caught cod and haddock. I am actually eating my words.”
The Environmental Footprint of Food
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Budgies love millet too.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Interesting study. It addresses many of the shortcomings of Poore and Nemecek (2018), specifically by tackling global variation and speaking of systems.
While it does speak of systems, it doesn't have much to say about mixed farming, though, which I would have been interested to hear.
While it does speak of systems, it doesn't have much to say about mixed farming, though, which I would have been interested to hear.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
It's interesting, but again not really the whole picture, which is what happens when you go to great effort to generalise.
I'd rather eat rotationally grazed beef, for example than that reared on concrete. Even then, how is that farm dealing with compaction (which can increase no2 emissions)...
There's so many moving parts.
Not a dig at anything really, just trying to illustrate the complexity that systems and geography add to the mix, even at the micro level.
What's a really environmentally sound farming practice in one place, might not work so well in another.
Ruminants, for example, often take stuff we can't consume (grass) and turn it into meat and milk. Pig and poultry currently exist on high cereal diets in most places.
I'd rather eat rotationally grazed beef, for example than that reared on concrete. Even then, how is that farm dealing with compaction (which can increase no2 emissions)...
There's so many moving parts.
Not a dig at anything really, just trying to illustrate the complexity that systems and geography add to the mix, even at the micro level.
What's a really environmentally sound farming practice in one place, might not work so well in another.
Ruminants, for example, often take stuff we can't consume (grass) and turn it into meat and milk. Pig and poultry currently exist on high cereal diets in most places.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Tbf the author does admit as much. They don't claim to have all the answers, but rather suggest that exploring the causes of global (and local) variation in impact is the way to find the best systems for each place.
I looked up all their references to Poore and Nemecek (ref no. 14). There are a few. Many of them are to say why this study is better.
Sat on a coach right now. Nothing better to do.
I looked up all their references to Poore and Nemecek (ref no. 14). There are a few. Many of them are to say why this study is better.
Sat on a coach right now. Nothing better to do.
editor
hiraethified
So they're eating loads less meat overall and given up on beef and pork altogether? Fantastic.So the researcher behind that work had this to say in the article linked below.
Measured by cumulative pressures, the top five offenders are pig, cow, rice, wheat and oil crops.
In order to feed a growing and increasingly wealthy global population while reducing environmental degradation and enhancing food security, major shifts will need to be made to current food systems, according to the researchers. In some cases, farming might need to improve efficiency; in other cases, consumers might need to change their food choices.
“We need this comprehensive information to make more accurate decisions about what we eat,” said Halpern, who modified his own food choices based on the results of this study.
“I became a pescatarian years ago because of wanting to reduce the environmental footprint of what I eat,” he said. “But then I thought, I’m a scientist, I should really use science to inform my decisions about what I eat. That’s actually why I started this research project. And now that we have the results, I see that from an environmental perspective, chicken is actually better than some seafood. And so I’ve shifted my diet to start including chicken again, while eliminating some high-pressure seafoods like bottom-trawl caught cod and haddock. I am actually eating my words.”
The Environmental Footprint of Food
www.nceas.ucsb.edu
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Not big enough for a meal though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
For context, Halpern lives in California. His informed food choices will reflect that.
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hiraethified
Oh for fuck's sake. He's a fucking grifter and you've been suckered by him like a mug. What's his medical qualifications? Did you check or just blindly regurgitate his pro-meat propaganda?
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
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These filthy cruel fuckers should be forced to clean up their shit.
And look how many factory farms there are.
www.theguardian.com
Mmm, what a lovely looking 'farm':
And look how many factory farms there are.
Tesco chicken supplier should pay to clean up River Wye, says charity
Campaigners urge leading poultry producer Avara Foods to fund reparations for pollution from its chicken farm suppliers
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Yup. Unfortunately this is just one of the problems on the Wye but certainly one having the most impact. I've been a member of the Wye and Usk foundation for about 10 years now and also involved in my local river The Alyn.These filthy cruel fuckers should be forced to clean up their shit.
Mmm, what a lovely looking 'farm':
And look how many factory farms there are.
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Tesco chicken supplier should pay to clean up River Wye, says charity
Campaigners urge leading poultry producer Avara Foods to fund reparations for pollution from its chicken farm suppliers
If you're interested in what's going on on the Wye it's worth having a look at their site. It's a beautiful river in some of the best countryside in the UK.
The Wye and Usk Foundation
An environmental charity that restores and protects the ecology and fisheries of the rivers Wye and Usk.
www.wyeuskfoundation.org
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I literally posted an Environment Agency report about pollution in the Wye earlier on this thread that suggests that poultry units are responsible for very little of it.Yup. Unfortunately this is just one of the problems on the Wye but certainly one having the most impact. I've been a member of the Wye and Usk foundation for about 10 years now and also involved in my local river The Alyn.
If you're interested in what's going on on the Wye it's worth having a look at their site. It's a beautiful river in some of the best countryside in the UK.
The Wye and Usk Foundation
An environmental charity that restores and protects the ecology and fisheries of the rivers Wye and Usk.
Don't suppose it was read, mind.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Here's the report.
The co factors responsible are change in land use from permanent pasture to cropping (tons of maize grown round here to feed AD plants) and chicken units. The chicken units supply muck which is spread, which then leaches into rivers.
If you've ever been on a chicken unit, you'd note that these are sheds on concrete. They don't let rain in (naturally), they don't hold muck for any length of time.
Muck is sold as fertiliser. It is then spread.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0L57_w25yLrFLikUKZuvbj
The co factors responsible are change in land use from permanent pasture to cropping (tons of maize grown round here to feed AD plants) and chicken units. The chicken units supply muck which is spread, which then leaches into rivers.
If you've ever been on a chicken unit, you'd note that these are sheds on concrete. They don't let rain in (naturally), they don't hold muck for any length of time.
Muck is sold as fertiliser. It is then spread.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0L57_w25yLrFLikUKZuvbj
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hiraethified
I used to live quite close to the Wye when I was a kid. There's some beautiful countryside all around (apart from these vile chicken farms of course).Yup. Unfortunately this is just one of the problems on the Wye but certainly one having the most impact. I've been a member of the Wye and Usk foundation for about 10 years now and also involved in my local river The Alyn.
If you're interested in what's going on on the Wye it's worth having a look at their site. It's a beautiful river in some of the best countryside in the UK.
The Wye and Usk Foundation
An environmental charity that restores and protects the ecology and fisheries of the rivers Wye and Usk.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I'm pretty sure agricultural run off is having an effect on a lot of trout and salmon rivers. Its been making an impact on the water purity and entomology for years. Of course the impact of climate change is also having a big impact on rivers like the Wye and indeed my own local gem. Our river is one of the few alkaline rivers in North Wales hence the abundance of wild trout in a previously industrial landscape.
There is of course the blatantly obvious problem of human shit run off too but the land run off is certainly a contributing factor.
You might find this interesting as it unfolds.
I'd be interested to hear more of your thoughts on what you think is going on with fresh water rivers if that's an area you have some insight in FM.
I've always been interested in our natural fish stocks. When you fish for the pan its as important as knowing where your meat comes from.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I live there now - between Ledbury and Hereford.I'm pretty sure agricultural run off is having an effect on a lot of trout and salmon rivers. Its been making an impact on the water purity and entomology for years. Of course the impact of climate change is also having a big impact on rivers like the Wye and indeed my own local gem. Our river is one of the few alkaline rivers in North Wales hence the abundance of wild trout in a previously industrial landscape.
There is of course the blatantly obvious problem of human shit run off too but the land run off is certainly a contributing factor.
You might find this interesting as it unfolds.
I'd be interested to hear more of your thoughts on what you think is going on with fresh water rivers if that's an area you have some insight in FM.
I've always been interested in our natural fish stocks. When you fish for the pan its as important as knowing where your meat comes from.
All along the route to Hereford, which intersects with the Wye catchment, lots if permanent pasture and orchards have gone and are being put into maize for the big AD plant just outside Hereford. Maize is very hungry, and certainly the chicken units nearby will be benefiting from supplying the growers with fertiliser. Maize takes a long time to ripen in the UK and its often a messy business harvesting it as its often stated to rain by then, which is presumably where the runoff is coming from.
Environment Agency warns maize harvesting can result in run-off and pollution
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Nice neck of the woods. I've been a couple if times.
Surely that's the problem though isn't it. The chicken shit gets spread on the ground and disolves through the soil and ends up in the river as run off. Its the ferts that have been causing the problems with exessive nutrient levels and pollution. It's not just the soil but what's in it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Good example of the interlinking of systems that isn't captured by studies that separate out single items.
The pollution is caused by a system that involves chickens, maize and electricity generation.
The pollution is caused by a system that involves chickens, maize and electricity generation.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Nah, its grown to feed the big anaerobic digester plant outside Hereford.
Wheat is most often grown for chicken feed inclusion.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Are they leveraging the fertliser supply or just lucky coincidence?
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