WouldBe
Dislicksick
I always took a packed lunch.
Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?
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newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Everyone else had dinner money so we did too, think my mum didn't want me to feel I was differen. Even more so than at that school than at the private school she didnt want me to go to on scholarship cos I could be the poor kid. Didn't entirely get that but frankly that particular school has turned out some horrendous examples of human beings and I am happy as being me as I have turned out, as a result of my life without someone fucking about with it, even if it is me.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
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The "ink" used is your food in paste format: printers that can design bespoke pancakes, ice cream and confectionery are already popular in some high-end supermarkets.
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They've been doing that for years on Star Trek with replicators.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Sorry for literally responding to the OP rather than some other proposition that was in your head.
The 'clearing rainforests to make soy mince' thing is utter horseshit and nobody who comes out with it does so in good faith.
If you want to keep eating meat that's fine, but you can't whatabout your way around the fact that doing so has a disproportionate impact on land and water use and climate change.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
No, because turning ecological destruction into a fungible commodity is the exact opposite of a solution to the problems we face.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I was simply highlighting the absurdity of the OPs "post-meat future". Perhaps they meant "post-meat future in Western Europe" or something, because whatabouting the other uses for the soy found in factory-produced vegetarian sausages isn't something that's relevant to quite a few meat eaters in the rest of the world.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
As long as markets remains a thing, this will certainly be the case. But of course some leftists get upset when you remind them that market forces will be evident in a society based on capitalist economics.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
someone in a chatroom yesterday was talking about 3D printed meat - fat, muscle, tubes ...
We all need some insoluble fibre, tubes is the meat equivalent of tomato skins.
Surely there are other alternatives for livestock than feeding them soy and clearing forests to grow it.
Plants raised for human consumption will also need space to grow and given the relative lack of nutritional density/calories we will need a lot of space for that.
Flavour
hang the bankers
No, at this level of meat production there is no alternative.
Plants raised for human consumption are far more efficient in terms of calories provided per hectare of land use, as, as we've already established, raising animals requires lots of land to be used to grow plants for them anyway.
Don't being so dense.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I wouldn't be so sure. Stuff like insects and algae might be able to fill in the gap somewhat. As with the transition to a post-carbon energy economy, I don't think there will be a one-size-fits-nobody solution.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
As we've already established animals can be grazed on land that's unsuitable for growing crops for human consumption.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
This alone would not produce the quantities of meat people currently eat in wealthy countries. Not even close
Flavour
hang the bankers
Yeah, pasture. I know. What % of animals eaten worldwide (and not in some fantasy pastoral North of England/Ireland) are raised on such land?
Flavour
hang the bankers
It's the inevitable consequence of having "high quality meat" only - all ethical and pastoral and friendly smiling farmers with small herds... ops! That's super expensive now. Only the super rich can afford it. Bye
I don't think this is true at all, even if I ignore your inability to insult me properly
I've not been convinced either way on the soya argument tbh.
It may be that it is grown for animals to eat with human consumption largely an added extra or it may be grown for humans to eat with the waste and inedible parts used for animal feed. There are arguments against it being grown for animal feed as they could just be fed something cheaper but perhaps that ignores that feeding animals different foods can affect their growth and the amount of meat that need to be produced to feed appetites and the market. There are also issues around land use and clearance for farmland. A lot of deforested land is used for cattle and Soy at different times.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It's nice that you think animals aren't already being fed the cheapest stuff farmers can get away with but I don't think it has much basis in reality.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Used for cattle and cattle feed then. Or, to put it another way, used for cattle.
So the level of meat consumption can be addressed, but not in the nonsensical way prescribed that advocated people eat something like 20g meat a day since no one is going to bother doing that, which I suspect is the real point of saying something like that.
How much of the animal is wasted? Are the quantities of meat inclusive of organ meats for example? I don't recall the last time I saw a KFC Chicken Liver burger, for instance (though they may well do)?
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hiraethified
So it's the fault of the vegans that factory farming can't be stopped? Seriously. Take a look at the bullshit you're posting.
I have no doubt that removing cattle from the situation would reduce the problem but how much and how significantly without looking at the issues around soy. As popular as soy is among many of those who currently don't eat meat I can only see it getting more popular if there are less cattle. If the crop is still economically viable without the animal feed component deforestation may continue to be a serious issue.
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hiraethified
What kind of weird bullshit nonsense is this?
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hiraethified
The bizarre excuses and blame shifting just keep on coming!It will just go underground with poaching and illegal animal rearing and of course there won't be any checks on the welfare of the animals or oversight of the slaughter because you won't know where it's happening.
I'm sure many do but where money can be made by investing in a more calorific or nutritious food or some other way of boosting growth to get a bigger or quicker return I'm sure plenty take that option.
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hiraethified
It's really becoming embarrassing to read the blatant lies and mistruths being posted by the meat fans in this thread.
Just about every study has arrived at the same conclusion: in the face of climate change and the oncoming environmental disaster, the world has to eat less meat. Yet this is one simple fact many seem unable to comprehend or accept, or just go into Trump like denial in response.
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hiraethified
As an aside, it's interesting to see the explosive growth of non-dairy milk. The usual suspects will whine about its supposed awful taste or manufacture ludicrous fantasy stories about how its environmental impact is somehow worse than dairy, but they'll be lying as usual.
www.theguardian.com
From fringe to mainstream: how millions got a taste for going vegan
First, it was a fad. Now, as meat consumption falls, it’s part of everyday life … the unstoppable rise of the plant-based diet
Anyone know which is best for baking?As an aside, it's interesting to see the explosive growth of non-dairy milk. The usual suspects will whine about its supposed awful taste or manufacture ludicrous fantasy stories about how its environmental impact is somehow worse than dairy, but they'll be lying as usual.
From fringe to mainstream: how millions got a taste for going vegan
First, it was a fad. Now, as meat consumption falls, it’s part of everyday life … the unstoppable rise of the plant-based diet
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hiraethified
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