Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[Jeff Robinson]

Why is it interesting?
Can I see video footage of your workplace online?

Yes?

 

[Funky_monks]

Yes?

Link please

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Link please

I post pseudonymously so I’m not revealing my workplace. But it’s far from alone in being a place that publishes workplace promotional photos and videos. It’s very common.

Why? I don't expect to see videos of embalming on a funeral director's website, nor do I expect to see videos of lettuce harvesting on a salad producer's website.

The funeral directors thing is easily explainable due to cultural norms around respect for the dead. If you go on to YouTube there’s tonnes of footage of farmers harvesting crops. The only footage from slaughterhouses is undercover exposés from animal rights organisations. That should probably tell you something about their nature.

 

[DaphneM]

Why? I don't expect to see videos of embalming on a funeral director's website, nor do I expect to see videos of lettuce harvesting on a salad producer's website.

Home | Bryans Salads has extensive pictures of lettuce harvesting

 

[platinumsage]

The funeral directors thing is easily explainable due to cultural norms around respect for the dead. If you go on to YouTube there’s tonnes of footage of farmers harvesting crops. The only footage from slaughterhouses is undercover exposés from animal rights organisations. That should probably tell you something about their nature.

I'm now looking for videos of my local council's contractors conducting routine cleaning of public toilets, but there's nothing on their website. I assume therefore that the cleaners are up to some sort of perversion.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I'm now looking for videos of my local council's contractors conducting routine cleaning of public toilets, but there's nothing on their website. I assume therefore that the cleaners are up to some sort of perversion.

A quick YouTube shows a whole bunch of videos of that

 

[kabbes]

I’m a TikTok sensation with my stylish coverage of exciting risk management processes.

 

[platinumsage]

A quick YouTube shows a whole bunch of videos of that

That's not the company that cleans the toilets, it's a cleaning systems developer and that's a training video.

Quite similar to this sort of video, of which there are plenty made public by companies providing equipment and systems for abattoirs:

 

[editor]

What are you actually doing to improve the lot of tantalum miners in Congo? Or do you just not care, you monster?

Difference is that it's incredibly easy to replace some meat dishes with non meat substitutes. But then you knew that anyway.

 

[Funky_monks]

That's not the company that cleans the toilets, it's a cleaning systems developer and that's a training video.

Quite similar to this sort of video, of which there are plenty made public by companies providing equipment and systems for abattoirs:

There's a video of the slaughter process on the AHDBs youtube too if you can be bothered to look for it.

 

[DaphneM]

Quite an interesting article here

Covid-19 Makes the Case for More Meatpacking Robots

The coronavirus has hit meat processing plants hard. But not in Denmark, where automation makes for safer slaughterhouses.

www.wired.com

 

[Jeff Robinson]

That's not the company that cleans the toilets, it's a cleaning systems developer and that's a training video.

Quite similar to this sort of video, of which there are plenty made public by companies providing equipment and systems for abattoirs:

From China, where public concern for farmed animal welfare is negligible.

 

[platinumsage]

From China, where public concern for farmed animal welfare is negligible.

So you acknowledge that the lack of videos on abattoir company websites in the UK isn’t due to how inhumane even the finest abattoirs are, but is due to the proportion of the population who are militant veganists and who can’t cope with the very idea.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

So you aknlowdge that the lack of videos on abattoir company websites in the UK isn’t due to how inhumane even the finest abattoirs are, but is due to the proportion of the population who are militant veganists and who can’t cope with the very idea.

lol

 

[kabbes]

If there were videos on the websites of abattoirs, and they showed good practices, would you be willing to accept that? Or would you say that they’d just cleaned up for the purpose of filming a video and this was unrepresentative of everyday practice? Because if you aren’t willing to take any video they show on good faith, what would even be the point of having the video?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The fact that YouTube feels the need to make that age-restricted is telling imo. It's a demonstration of how disconnected most people are from the processes that are used to produce our food that we need to be warned about potential trauma before we get a peek at how it's done.

It's interesting that FM says abattoirs use the Temple Grandin methods. Good to hear. All about keeping the cows calm and not panicking them. They have no idea what's about to happen. And if you can keep them calm right up to the last second - then a stun gun knocks out consciousness instantly - what is left to object to other than the fact that you are ending a life? Seems to me that is the bit that is really being objected to rather than any details of the process. The cow is there with its head in the block looking at you one second, then you put a bolt in its brain and it is dead the next second.

 

[ddraig]

Jesus fucking wept

 

[Spymaster]

The fact that YouTube feels the need to make that age-restricted is telling imo. It's a demonstration of how disconnected most people are from the processes that are used to produce our food that we need to be warned about potential trauma before we get a peek at how it's done.

It's interesting that FM says abattoirs use the Temple Grandin methods. Good to hear. All about keeping the cows calm and not panicking them. They have no idea what's about to happen. And if you can keep them calm right up to the last second - then a stun gun knocks out consciousness instantly - what is left to object to other than the fact that you are ending a life? Seems to me that is the bit that is really being objected to rather than any details of the process. The cow is there with its head in the block looking at you one second, then you put a bolt in its brain and it is dead the next second.

Yes. Animals have yo be killed to be eaten, since we don't eat them alive. The killing process needs to be as clean and humane as possible but there's no getting away from the fact that they're being killed. Everyone who eats meat accepts that.

 

[Funky_monks]

Yes. Animals have yo be killed to be eaten, since we don't eat them alive. The killing process needs to be as clean and humane as possible but there's no getting away from the fact that they're being killed. Everyone who eats meat accepts that.

I'm not actually sure a lot of meat eaters do accept that - I think quite a lot of the population don't really know where their food comes from.
For me (and presumably lots of other eaters of meat), that is the humane aspect of slaughter.
If we are going to have prey animals, we need to kill them in a way that causes minimum suffering vs the natural world, which we do.
Nature doesn't deal in quick deaths usually.

 

[butcher]

Jesus fucking wept

BTW still have not answered the question of whom you were defaming earlier in the thread

 

[WouldBe]

I'm not actually sure a lot of meat eaters do accept that - I think quite a lot of the population don't really know where their food comes from.

Always reminds me of when Oliver took some school kids to a farm and pulled some carrots out of the ground. The kids wouldn't eat them as "they had been in the dirt".

 

[Funky_monks]

Always reminds me of when Oliver took some school kids to a farm and pulled some carrots out of the ground. The kids wouldn't eat them as "they had been in the dirt".

I've known people want to bin shop bought root veg because they've dropped it on the floor and now it "will have germs on it". They seemed to think my suggestion that it could be saved by washing it was somewhat unhygenic and appeared to think veg on supermarket shelves has somehow been sterilised............

 

[WouldBe]

I've known people want to bin shop bought root veg because they've dropped it on the floor and now it "will have germs on it". They seemed to think my suggestion that it could be saved by washing it was somewhat unhygenic and appeared to think veg on supermarket shelves has somehow been sterilised............

Maybe they just grow in the plastic bags on the shelves.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Always reminds me of when Oliver took some school kids to a farm and pulled some carrots out of the ground. The kids wouldn't eat them as "they had been in the dirt".

I'll let kids off, but I doubt all the comments under that abattoir vid are from kids. Quite a few 'no more hamburgers for me' comments. Makes you wonder what exactly they thought happened.

 

[souljacker]

Presumably all of these slaughterhouses have published footage on their websites of the animals beings killed, to show the public how awesome and humane it is?

There was a BBC documentary a while back where they showed the whole process but it doesn't seem to be on iPlayer sadly. It was pretty in depth and showed the whole process.

 

[stavros]

My first attempt at making my own oat milk today. It didn't go badly, but I need a bigger blender to make it workable on a regular basis.

 

[Orang Utan]

My first attempt at making my own oat milk today. It didn't go badly, but I need a bigger blender to make it workable on a regular basis.

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[bcuster]

I'm going to try to make oat tea with cinnamon

 

[furluxor]

My first attempt at making my own oat milk today. It didn't go badly, but I need a bigger blender to make it workable on a regular basis.

Do you strain it in some way or do anything else to it after blending? I've blended mine and it was fine for breakfast but after it sat in the fridge it turned sludgy. Or do you just not keep it that long?

 

[stavros]

Do you strain it in some way or do anything else to it after blending? I've blended mine and it was fine for breakfast but after it sat in the fridge it turned sludgy. Or do you just not keep it that long?

I strained it through some muslin for an hour or so, sitting in a sieve. That's meant to get the remaining solids out.

These were the rough instructions I followed.