Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[littlebabyjesus]

Fucking facts again.

 

[bcuster]

Not to most who eat meat it isn't.

Do you find a slow death from poison equally repugnant? Grainstores must have poison stations around them to comply with Red Tractor for example...

I'm sure rodent contaminated grain would be a barrel of laughs if you were to eat it....

Most choose not to think about how their meat got on their plate

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Most choose not to think about how their meat got on their plate

Here we may have identified a genuine point of agreement. I think everyone should think more about how their food, including their meat, got on their plate. I suspect pretty much everyone posting on this thread would agree with that.

 

[Funky_monks]

Most choose not to think about how their meat got on their plate

I think most know perfectly well an animal had to die in order for them to eat it.

 

[Funky_monks]

Here we may have identified a genuine point of agreement. I think everyone should think more about how their food, including their meat, got on their plate. I suspect pretty much everyone posting on this thread would agree with that.

Well quite, but to suggest people that eat meat don't know an animal had to die is...... quite something.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Most choose not to think about how their meat got on their plate

I'll guarantee most people know an animal died to make the steak they're eating. Vegans, on the other hand, seems to either be in denial or simply don't give a fuck how many animals die to feed them. Which do you think it is?

 

[bcuster]

I'll guarantee most people know an animal died to make the steak they're eating. Vegans, on the other hand, seems to either be in denial or simply don't give a fuck how many animals die to feed them. Which do you think it is?

neither ; and it is more the issue of how the animal died, not the mere fact that it did...

 

[Saul Goodman]

Not to most who eat meat it isn't.

Do you find a slow death from poison equally repugnant? Grainstores must have poison stations around them to comply with Red Tractor for example...

I'm sure rodent contaminated grain would be a barrel of laughs if you were to eat it....

There's nothing wrong with a touch of Leptospirosis. Surely it's worth a bit of Weil's disease to be a proper vegan.

 

[Saul Goodman]

neither ; and it is more the issue of how the animal died, not the mere fact that it did...

Have you ever seen an animal die from poisoning, watching it suffer as its organs fail? I watched one of my cats die this way after it ate poisoned meat a farmer had put out for rats. It was the most horrible death I could imagine.

 

[bcuster]

Have you ever seen an animal die from poisoning, watching it suffer as its organs fail? I watched one of my cats die this way after it ate poisoned meat a farmer had put out for rats. It was the most horrible death I could imagine.

I've seen pets euthanized, not poisoned, per se. The experience was not as you describe..

 

[Funky_monks]

I've seen pets euthanized, not poisoned, per se. The experience was not as you describe..

You do understand those two deaths are completely different, right?

 

[bcuster]

You do understand those two deaths are completely different, right?

Yes, I certainly do. That is why I am suggesting that the slaughterhouses euthanize animals, not" poison" them

And there is a Nobel Prize waiting for the person who can "fix" the meat thus produced so that it is fit for human consumption, for those willing to pay the necessarily higher cost for meat produced in the manner I am suggesting

 

[Funky_monks]

Yes, I certainly do. That is why I am suggesting that the slaughterhouses euthanize animals, not poison" them

They do, with a stun, followed by a neck cut.

 

[bcuster]

They do, with a stun, followed by a neck cut.

OK, we've come full circle...

 

[Saul Goodman]

I've seen pets euthanized, not poisoned, per se. The experience was not as you describe..

You know those rats that have to die so you don't catch Weil's disease? Do you think a vet comes out and injects them, and holds their little paws until they gently drift away?

 

[bcuster]

You know those rats that have to die so you don't catch Weil's disease? Do you think a vet comes out and injects them, and holds their little paws until they gently drift away?

I've no issue with killing rats, vermin or any animal that poses a direct threat to humans.
I think extraordinary means should be employed to remove large, threatening animals humanely (crocodiles big cats, etc) before killing them, however

 

[kabbes]

Most choose not to think about how their meat got on their plate

That’s not nice

 

[Saul Goodman]

I've no issue with killing rats, vermin or any animal that poses a direct threat to humans.

So it's OK for a sentient being to die a slow, horrible, painful death from poisoning, lest it contaminate your food, but it's not OK to kill something instantly with a bolt to the brain, because it's someone else's food?
Right...

 

[bcuster]

So it's OK for a sentient being to die a slow, horrible, painful death from poisoning, lest it contaminate your food, but it's not OK to kill something instantly with a bolt to the brain, because it's someone else's food?
Right...

You're really reaching here, guy.

 

[Saul Goodman]

You're really reaching here, guy.

I'm really not. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Not that it needed pointing out but you do seem a tad confused.

 

[kabbes]

a tad confused.

This should really be his tagline, to be frank.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

bcuster, maybe you could explain why a bolt to the brain isn't a humane way to kill. I don't know what your objection to it is.

 

[bcuster]

bcuster, maybe you could explain why a bolt to the brain isn't a humane way to kill. I don't know what your objection to it is.

It hurts

 

[Saul Goodman]

It hurts

It doesn't.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It hurts

Are you not reading other people's posts? The evidence strongly suggests that consciousness is ended before any pain can be felt. The animal literally does not know anything about what happens to it.

To flesh that out, it takes time to form a perception. Within that time period - between a twentieth and a tenth of a second - the brain is scrambled to such an extent that no conscious perceptions can be formed at all. The animal is unconscious before it can register any pain.

Essentially, all our perceived 'nows' are not actually NOW. They are a little in the past (more accurately, they are smeared over a certain time span in the past). For this reason, it is possible to cause a catastrophic sudden trauma to the brain that prevents any conscious representation of that trauma ever being formed.

 

[Funky_monks]

Can confirm - I once managed to bring a steel post rammer down on my own head and almost lost consciousness.

It didn't hurt at all until a good few minutes later.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Can confirm - I once managed to bring a steel post rammer down on my own head and almost lost consciousness.

It didn't hurt at all until a good few minutes later.

I was about to post something similar. I've broken countless bones from motorbike/Motocross accidents, and the pain never starts at the moment of impact. It's usually a fair while later. One time I picked a motorbike up after a crash. I looked down and the arm I picked it up with had a bone protruding through the skin. The pain didn't start 'til maybe 5 - 10 minutes later.

 

[bcuster]

Are you not reading other people's posts? The evidence strongly suggests that consciousness is ended before any pain can be felt. The animal literally does not know anything about what happens to it.

To flesh that out, it takes time to form a perception. Within that time period - between a twentieth and a tenth of a second - the brain is scrambled to such an extent that no conscious perceptions can be formed at all. The animal is unconscious before it can register any pain.

Essentially, all our perceived 'nows' are not actually NOW. They are a little in the past (more accurately, they are smeared over a certain time span in the past). For this reason, it is possible to cause a catastrophic sudden trauma to the brain that prevents any conscious representation of that trauma ever being formed.

I'll have to look into this.
What you are saying here does square with much of what I've been reading about regarding the cruelty and abuse that happens in animal slaughterhouses.
And I'll admit, I've never been inside one...

 

[Jeff Robinson]

You think a bullet in the head isn't a humane way to kill something?

I agree with Temple Grandin that, done right, animals can be killed in a way that is consistent with high animal welfare. A bolt/bullet to the head is one way to do that.

Why? Specifically what is wrong with killing an animal by shooting it in the head?

Have you read what she said about her dog. the mistreatment I am referring to came before she shot it.

There appears to be an obsesssion with death in your position. The mistreatment involved how she cared for it (or didn't) while it was alive.

I have asked you three times now and you haven’t answered, but based on the things you’ve said above, I think the most reasonable interpretation is that you think Kristi Noem did nothing specifically wrong by shooting her puppy in the head, If that is what you think, I’m genuinely surprised. Feel free to correct the record.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hopefully the dog murderers, the trophy hunters, the monkey torturers will account for their crimes.