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Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

How reluctant are you to give up your meat habit?

  • I’m already veggie or vegan as any right thinking person should be!

    Votes: 49 25.0%

  • I can take it or leave it, I won’t miss meat

    Votes: 31 15.8%

  • I’d give up meat if I could think what else to cook, but I can’t

    Votes: 7 3.6%

  • I’m reluctant to change, but I accept the need

    Votes: 34 17.3%

  • It’s unimaginable that I won’t have meat in most / all meals - I’ll probably starve

    Votes: 8 4.1%

  • Fuck the planet, I’ll be eating meat till I die or the planet explodes

    Votes: 6 3.1%

  • Poll fail, answer below

    Votes: 15 7.7%

  • Don’t believe the hype - meat will be available forever, nothing much will change

    Votes: 46 23.5%
  • Total voters
    196
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New New Nothing said:
It doesn't have to. Half the world's croplands are used to grow animal feed.
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Again, we've been here on this thread. Most of those crops are both animal feed and human feed. Eg soya, which by value to the farmer is roughly 2/3 animal feed, 1/3 human feed.

There are lots of problems with deforestation and the establishment of destructive monocultures, and this is a part of that problem, for sure, but the headline 'crops for animals not humans' is far from the whole story.

See also SG's vid above.
 
New New Nothing said:
In terms of fertiliser, protein crops such as peas and beans don't require as much - they capture nitrogen from the air, fertilising themselves and raising nitrate levels in soil (which in turn improves it for cereal crops). There'll probably always be a need for artificial fertiliser, but there are veganic organic growers out there who use only plant-based composts. Like most climate-crisis solutions, governments aren't taking it seriously and not dedicating the fuckloads of research money that the solution deserves.
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Legumes are already used in conventional crop rotations, plant composts are inferior to manure in terms of available NP and K.

As said this has been discussed in depth on the thread, perhaps read back a bit.
 
krtek a houby said:
Would wager that most people have never heard the term "ruminants" before.
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New New Nothing has. They used it. Certainly anyone following this thread will know. Ruminants are mammals that eat plants and have four stomach chambers. In the first of these, called the rumen, the plant matter sits and ferments, breaking down the tough-to-digest matter and producing methane as a by-product, which the animals burp out.

Examples of ruminants include cows, sheep, buffalo, deer and goats. They might be grazers or browsers. Either way, they are extremely well adapted to tackling plant matter that is entirely inedible to us, and their digestion process produces methane. This happens through the action of archaea in the rumen. It's been a focus of various studies seeking to mitigate methane production by ruminants. EG:

Microbial ecosystem and methanogenesis in ruminants - PubMed


While these studies are interesting, the role ruminant burps play in global heating should not be overstated. They are part of an existing carbon cycle and they do not add new carbon to that cycle. Global heating is being forced by the introduction of new carbon into the cycle that was previously locked underground in the form of coal, oil or gas. During the Carboniferous period, dead trees did not rot away in the way that they do today as the microbes, principally fungi, that cause this to happen had not yet evolved. Instead, they lay where they fell and were eventually compressed and buried, locking away their carbon deep underground for hundreds of millions of years. Until humans turned up and discovered that it was possible to extract useful work from the action of transferring heat from a hot place to a cooler place, and started digging up those ancient tree remains to burn them and create the hot places in our steam engines.

HTH
 
Saul Goodman said:
It'd be nice if someone came along occasionally with something better than the usual regurgitated nonsense from Sentient Bunnies Weekly... "Get rid of teh livestocks!" That's not a solution, it's a possible consequence, but not one that makes even the slightest bit of sense.


This very short video might go some way to helping those who seem to believe the nonsense they read from people with agendas.
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In case people seek to dismiss Windisch, looking him up, he was one of the first scientific investigators of methane production by ruminants, measuring it more than 30 years ago and discussing how it might be mitigated. He is no crank, schill, or climate change denialist. He's an expert in the field of animal nutrition and specifically a pioneering scientist in the field of ruminant methane production.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
In case people seek to dismiss Windisch, looking him up, he was one of the first scientific investigators of methane production by ruminants, measuring it more than 30 years ago and discussing how it might be mitigated. He is no crank, schill, or climate change denialist. He's an expert in the field of animal nutrition and specifically a pioneering scientist in the field of ruminant methane production.
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I chose him specifically because he's beyond reproach. But, as usual, it'll get ignored and lost in the deluge of dirge, or countered with an opinion piece from The Guardian.
 
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littlebabyjesus said:
Stupid post. Who here has called for it to be banned?

Why don't you reply to people's actual posts rather than make shit up?
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DeSantis has. It's a sarcastic post. There's plenty of that (sarcasm) coming from your side.
I'd've thought you were one who could take it, as well as dish it out...
 
I don't see this in terms of sides. You will struggle to find a sarcastic post by me that isn't aimed at a specific poster for a specific thing they've said.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I don't see this in terms of sides. You will struggle to find a sarcastic post by me that isn't aimed at a specific poster for a specific thing they've said.
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The post wasn't directed at you. My apologies if you felt offended (being serious)
I've actually learned a lot from your posts...
 
littlebabyjesus said:
In case people seek to dismiss Windisch, looking him up, he was one of the first scientific investigators of methane production by ruminants, measuring it more than 30 years ago and discussing how it might be mitigated. He is no crank, schill, or climate change denialist. He's an expert in the field of animal nutrition and specifically a pioneering scientist in the field of ruminant methane production.
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Not just ruminants produce methane. Human waste produces methane and used to power gas street lights above sewers and all decomposing organic matter releases methane. All conveniently ignored by the anti-meat brigade. :hmm:
 
Saul Goodman said:
What's the goal, and what would you like me to do that isn't going to cost me much time or any money?
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Honestly, I'm not sure. Perhaps if we all who've expended such emotional energy bickering on this thread put our heads together, we could come up with some ideas
 
Thanks for telling me my real reason. I’m actually convinced now, and don’t really just think that you’re a prick I should ignore.
 
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