Bye bye MEAT! How will the post-meat future look?

[Jeff Robinson]

Another dairy 'farm' torture dungeon. The sooner this abominable industry is wiped off the face of the earth of the better.

 

[Funky_monks]

Weird logic above - lots of cases of cruelty to pets. Should everyone be banned from having pets because a minority are cruel?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand:
Nutrient found in beef and dairy products found to help fight cancer
TVA – a fatty acid found in beef, lamb, and dairy products, improves the ability of immune cells to fight tumours.

Nature article here:
Fan, H., Xia, S., Xiang, J., Li, Y., Ross, M.O., Lim, S.A., Yang, F., Tu, J., Xie, L., Dougherty, U., Zhang, F.Q., Zheng, Z., Zhang, R., Wu, R., Dong, L., Su, R., Chen, X., Althaus, T., Riedell, P.A. and Jonker, P.B. (2023). Trans-vaccenic acid reprograms CD8+ T cells and anti-tumour immunity. Nature, [online] pp.1–10. doi:https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-023-06749-3. ‌

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Weird logic above - lots of cases of cruelty to pets. Should everyone be banned from having pets because a minority are cruel?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand:
Nutrient found in beef and dairy products found to help fight cancer
TVA – a fatty acid found in beef, lamb, and dairy products, improves the ability of immune cells to fight tumours.

Nature article here:
Fan, H., Xia, S., Xiang, J., Li, Y., Ross, M.O., Lim, S.A., Yang, F., Tu, J., Xie, L., Dougherty, U., Zhang, F.Q., Zheng, Z., Zhang, R., Wu, R., Dong, L., Su, R., Chen, X., Althaus, T., Riedell, P.A. and Jonker, P.B. (2023). Trans-vaccenic acid reprograms CD8+ T cells and anti-tumour immunity. Nature, [online] pp.1–10. doi:https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-023-06749-3. ‌

Dairy is inherently cruel. Turning cows into milking and breeding machines and stealing their babies is obviously cruel and it’s not surprising there are so many exposes of further brutality in the dairy industry, dairy farmers treat ‘their’ cows like expendable garbage with no inherent worth, of course they’ll frequently lash out at them.

Why are nutritional claims about meat ‘back to the topic at hand’? It’s no more relevant to the thread than what I posted.

 

[Funky_monks]

Dairy is inherently cruel. Turning cows into milking and breeding machines and stealing their babies is obviously cruel and it’s not surprising there are so many exposes of further brutality in the dairy industry, dairy farmers treat ‘their’ cows like expendable garbage with no inherent worth, of course they’ll frequently lash out at them.

Why are nutritional claims about meat ‘back to the topic at hand’? It’s no more relevant to the thread than what I posted.

Because its about meat and the environment - nutritional factors are good reason to keep producing it.

If conditions in dairying are as commonplace as your expose, it wouldn't be news, or indeed an expose of any kind. You could walk onto any dairy farm and it would be like that. But, it isn't, and farmers don't generally treat their animals as you describe. You, by your own admission have never been on any dairy farms. I've been on loads. You choose to use openly anti meat sources to get your information on dairying and yet you can't see how they might possibly have a bias. You could do something like go to an open farm sunday and have a look, its not like they are all kept in secret.

Trying to paint everyone who keeps animals in the same category as those who abuse them is disingenuous.

Do you think that all people should be banned from keeping dogs because some people are cruel to them?

 

[butcher]

Jeff could always start a Bye Bye Milk thread, I am sure people will have lots of well informed opinions to express (no pun intended).

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Dairy is inherently cruel.

You think so, for the reasons you give. But rightly or wrongly, most diary farmers don't think what they are doing is inherently cruel. And they do care about their animals. I went to school with quite a few kids from local farms. I've grown up with something of a prejudice against farmers tbh. They can often be selfish arseholes ime. And they're certainly unsentimental about their animals. But to say they don't care about the animals as a generalisation or routinely inflict needless cruelty is just wrong. Only bad farmers do that.

 

[Funky_monks]

Grazing ruminants on "good quality grass" reduces methane emissions. This is why its so important to measure things in context - nearly all the work on methane emissions has been done on animals on feedlots.....
'The best additive to reduce methane is high-quality grass' -ICBF - Agriland.ie

 

[stavros]

 

[editor]

Jeff could always start a Bye Bye Milk thread, I am sure people will have lots of well informed opinions to express (no pun intended).

The market size of the Non-Dairy Milk Production industry in the UK has grown 14.2% per year on average between 2017 and 2022 so milk is unlikely to vanish, but there's clearly a lot of people preferring cruelty free alternatives. Which is great, no?

 

[editor]

Here's some positive news for people who care about climate change:

The world’s most-developed nations will be told to curb their excessive appetite for meat as part of the first comprehensive plan to bring the global agrifood industry into line with the Paris climate agreement.

The global food systems’ road map to 1.5C is expected to be published by the United Nations’ Food & Agriculture Organization during the COP28 summit next month. Nations that over-consume meat will be advised to limit their intake, while developing countries — where under-consumption of meat adds to a prevalent nutrition challenge — will need to improve their livestock farming, according to the FAO.

Eat Less Meat Is Message for Rich World in Food’s First Net Zero Plan

The world’s most-developed nations will be told to curb their excessive appetite for meat as part of the first comprehensive plan to bring the global agrifood industry into line with the Paris climate agreement.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[WouldBe]

Here's some positive news for people who care about climate change:

Eat Less Meat Is Message for Rich World in Food’s First Net Zero Plan

The world’s most-developed nations will be told to curb their excessive appetite for meat as part of the first comprehensive plan to bring the global agrifood industry into line with the Paris climate agreement.

www.bloomberg.com

Doesn't that effectively say that developing countries should eat more meat?

So you're just 'moving' the climate problem to poorer countries.

 

[editor]

Doesn't that effectively say that developing countries should eat more meat?

So you're just 'moving' the climate problem to poorer countries.

Try reading it properly and understand how much the west - and most noticeably Americans - are consuming.

 

[WouldBe]

Try reading it properly and understand how much the west - and most noticeably Americans - are consuming.

I know how much the west consumes, it's been mentioned on here often enough. But it definitely says developing countries should be eating more meat.

 

[editor]

I know how much the west consumes, it's been mentioned on here often enough. But it definitely says developing countries should be eating more meat.

It's really not worth engaging with you. It clearly means that the planet should CONSUME LESS MEAT OVERALL.

 

[WouldBe]

It's really not worth engaging with you. It clearly means that the planet should CONSUME LESS MEAT OVERALL.

Which doesn't mean the "end of meat" does it?

 

[editor]

Which doesn't mean the "end of meat" does it?

And where, exactly, did I say that in the last few posts? Are you pissed or something?

 

[WouldBe]

And where, exactly, did I say that in the last few posts? Are you pissed or something?

That's what the thread is about.

 

[CNT36]

You two need your heads banging together.

 

[Pickman's model]

You two need your heads banging together.

Yes cos violence can solve things

 

[Funky_monks]

Which all comes back to the point I made pages and pages ago.

"We need to eat less meat" is a meaningless statement

Who is this "we"?
What kind of meat?

But then, people do love simple solutions/slogans to complex issues.

 

[Funky_monks]

And yet more findings:

Zhu, J., Luo, Z., Sun, T., Li, W., Zhou, W., Wang, X., Fei, X., Tong, H. and Yin, K., 2023. Cradle-to-grave emissions from food loss and waste represent half of total greenhouse gas emissions from food systems. Nature Food, 4(3), pp.247-256.

Lay press article discussing it here:

Food loss and waste represent half of GHG emissions from food systems - 8.9ha

That's half of emissions, and yet we still seem to want to focus on "just eating less meat"....

 

[editor]

The simple reality:

Plant-based meat is a simple solution to climate woes - if more people would eat it

Climate scientists have long said that eating more plants and fewer animals is among the simplest, cheapest and most readily available ways for people to reduce their impact on the environment.

apnews.com

And:

One-third of global greenhouse gas emissions can be attributed to food, with meat and dairy accounting for the lion’s share of it but providing just 18 percent of the world’s calories. Meat and dairy production are also leading causes of other environmental ills, including deforestation, biodiversity loss, pandemic risk, and water pollution. Dairy production alone emits more greenhouse gases than global aviation. Plant-based foods typically have a much smaller carbon footprint, and require far less land and water.

As greenhouse gas emissions from animal agriculture have become increasingly difficult to ignore, global policymakers now stand at a fork in the road on how to address them. Numerous environmental scientists, including some who’ve published studies on the matter for the UN, have called on wealthy countries to cut back on meat and eat more plant-based meals — a sure way to slash agricultural emissions, but politically challenging.

Down another path lies the more politically palatable, yet far less effective, approach of continuing to eat record amounts of meat in the West while deploying a host of technologies and farming practices, each of which can only marginally shave off livestock emissions.

The world needs a mix of both approaches, but policymakers, out of political expediency and corporate capture, are barreling down the second path, a choice they’ll likely come to regret as climate change intensifies.

“We have only one planet, and we’re not going to be able to feed everyone with the diet of the Europeans,” said Raphael Podselver, director of UN affairs for the nonprofit ProVeg International.

There’s less meat at this year’s climate talks. But there’s plenty of bull.

Meat and dairy are driving the climate crisis. Why won’t world leaders at COP28 do anything about it?

www.vox.com

 

[editor]

The meat lobby is every bit as evil as the tobacco lobby, but this time it's the planet getting screwed over:

Powerful meat corporations are planning to push false claims that meat is “sustainable nutrition” at COP28, an international environmental conference that meets yearly to establish a global response to the climate crisis.

The meat lobbyists’ pro-meat communications strategy is contradicted by research showing that 57 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions attributed to food production are generated by meat, aquaculture, dairy and eggs.

“It’s no surprise that the meat industry — which is as shameless in its insatiable quest for profits as the tobacco industry — is pulling out all the stops in an attempt to dupe decisionmakers,” Delcianna J. Winders, Animal Law and Policy Institute Director at Vermont Law and Graduate School, told Truthout.

Meat Lobbyists Attend COP28 to Contradict Climate Research

“If we are going to abate climate catastrophe, we must significantly curtail meat production,” one advocate said.

truthout.org

 

[Funky_monks]

For "simple reality", read "failing to understand a complex problem", using that well known scientific publication "Vox" as supporting evidence.

Jesus.

To add: Its bad that scientists working in the livestock sector are at COP, but absolutely fine that lobbying goes on from industrial processors making highly processed slop "meat substitutes". The "good capitalists" vs "the bad capitalists" again.

 

[bcuster]

 

[bcuster]

 

[butcher]

Pervert caught pleasuring himself in slurry for third time

A man found naked in a field amongst cow dung and mud had been sexually pleasuring himself, a court has heard

www.falmouthpacket.co.uk

 

[bcuster]

Pervert caught pleasuring himself in slurry for third time

A man found naked in a field amongst cow dung and mud had been sexually pleasuring himself, a court has heard

www.falmouthpacket.co.uk

Bastard killed some livestock when he was blocked from indulging himself...

 

[bcuster]

A Day in the Life of A Holiday Ham

What does it take to get that holiday ham to the table? Some little known facts about this culinary obsession.

freefromharm.org

 

[bcuster]

In Texas, nearly 18,000 cows died in a single barn fire. This is how it happened

The barn outside Dimmitt, Texas, stood at 2 million square feet. Across this indoor city, thousands of cows lowed. Then the smoke started to rise.

www.yahoo.com